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The Public Safety Issue That Isn't...Again

by: Autumn Sandeen

Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 05:00:00 AM EDT



* Sigh * -- From OneNewsNow's Moral debate now a public safety issue:

Citizens in Gainesville, Florida, are trying to repeal an ordinance that lets anyone reject their biological sex simply by stating that they "feel like" a member of the opposite sex. At least one citizen argues that introduces some serious safety concerns for the public.

...In fact, Davis' group has been collecting reports of such incidents, including one in which an elderly woman using a wheelchair complained when an adult male followed her into the women's restroom at a local grocery store.

"And the manager said, 'He can legally do it,'" Davis relates. "The manager didn't even ask this person if he had a sexual or gender identity issue. So just by having this law, men are walking in -- and managers, because of the liability associated with questioning people who are protected by the law, they don't even ask questions."

The difficulty with the public safety aspect of this argument is that there have been no news stories -- no documentation to support the premise -- that predators have ever tried to use a public accommodation law in an attempt to cover sexually predatory behavior in a women's restroom -- despite this  undocumented, factually bare anecdote given in this article.

What we're really discussing here is a fear of predatory behavior by cross-dressed males in public restrooms vice actual, documented examples of predatory males actually engaging in any otherwise unlawful behavior in public restrooms -- while at the same time  being cross-dressed when they attempt to use public accommodation laws as cover for their predatory behavior.

Let's be frank, here. If there had ever been any documented examples of cross-dressed individuals attempting to use public accommodation laws in an attempt to cover unlawful predatory behavior, I'm absolutely sure we'd have heard about it -- it would be a very, very newsworthy story.

The burden of proof that this happens at all -- that crossdressing males going into women's restrooms constitute a real, documentable public safety issue in municipalities, counties, or states that have passed public accommodation laws, and that these allegedly existing predators used public accommodation laws as legal cover for their allegedly predatory behavior -- should be on the conservative Christians who claim it as fact, vice falling on us transgender people and allies to prove the negative; vice falling on transgender people to prove that this scenario hasn't been documented by somebody, somewhere.

Names, dates and times, incident reports and police reports -- If conservative Christians want to claim gender identity and expression specific public accommodation laws facilitate predatory behavior and constitute a real, public safety issue, they need to show us palpable evidence that indicates this really is a public safety issue. Otherwise, it's just transgender bashing based completely on hearsay and/or fear.

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Related:
* White Male Privilege & Women's Fear Of Crime Intersecting With Gender Expression & Public Restrooms
* When It Comes To Transgender People & Civil Rights, It Really Is Always About The Bathroom
* The Predator Argument Doesn't Work With Transgender Fifth Graders
* Kevin Moore's Take On Colorado's "Bathroom Police"
* I'm Going To Colorado In August With PHB; I'm Going To Make Use Of Public Accommodations
* If Dr. Dobson Were King, We'd All Be Wearing Depends
* The Non-Trans Woman Thrown Out Of A NY Women's Restroom Sues
* Outing #2: When You Endanger A Child For The Sensationalism Of It
* Latest Attacks Of Teh HomoSEXual Agenda's Transgenderededs's Bullet Points

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Not just that
Because one example would not be enough. They must show that it occurs more often (at least proportionatly) than men not crossdressed already entering womens facilities for predatory behaviour! Or for that matter women being predatory to other women!

Applying reason to the notion and the fear falls apart.

After all, so they can enter the bathroom but if they commit a crime in there they are still subject to the law! An illusionary threat from tg folks threatening to destroy an illusionary safety as those facilities aren't safe to begin with.

But these folk aren't trying to make reasoned argumnets. They are trying to find the way to best manipulate peoples emotions.

I'm starting to think that George Lakoff http://www.boingboing.net/2008... for all his flaws may have a point.

I think we may need to fight this nonsense with two tactics. The rational truth which will convince the logical and our own (still true) emotional rhetoric to convince the rest.


You mean like this?
Dry Dusty Science. Emotionally Charged Propaganda. Same blog, same author, and both true.

And that last is the important point. It has to be true, or we become the enemy we're fighting against.

There's no reason to just fight using one weapon though. And walking and chewing gum simultaneously is possible to us, even if not to them.

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse


[ Parent ]
You got it Zoe!
That's exactly what I mean!

Too often we on this side fight these arsonists fire with just water. A little bit of controlled burning to create firebreaks to control the fire and give the water a chance to work more effectively will save lives.

And absolutely I agree it must absolutely be true. That way it will stand up to scrutiny and be all the more effective.


[ Parent ]
Fundies LIE! If caught, they quote some other fundie.
They never give independent sources, and Goddess forbid they follow the two-source rule.

Occasional conservative Christians don't believe everything they hear from the Christian media and rumor mill, and don't lie to create convenient talking points.

It is sad that liberal Christians now introduce themselves by their denomination instead of "Christian", in an attempt to distance themselves from the meanness, deception, venality, gullibility, and hysteria of popular conservative Christian leaders and followers.

I'd like a bumper sticker saying "God created your brain. Use it, already!"


Steam coming out of my ears
Good grief!! That story was sooooooooooo slanted and awful, it reminds me of Republican scare tactics following 9/11. Be afraid, be afraid!! I'd really like to find these people and give them such a pinch!! Transphobia is alive and well and will be for quite a long time, it seems. I guess we are one of the right-wing's favorite new punching bags. Most punching bags don't hit back though, so watch out!!

Zoey

No matter how thin you slice it, it's still boloney.


It makes so much sense
because you know that a male predator - crossdressed or not - entering the women's restroom is going to get all the attention and publicity he craves.  Everyone knows that rapists and predators blatantly stroll into the restroom to pick their next victim because they want people to notice them.

Entering a restroom is not an attack
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...In fact, Davis' group has been collecting reports of such incidents, including one in which an elderly woman using a wheelchair complained when an adult male followed her into the women's restroom at a local grocery store.

Wait a sec.  How did she know this was an adult male?   Could it have been an FTM?  A masculine looking woman? At what point did he attack her?

The article says nothing about what this person did after 'following' her into the restroom


Reverse Question
Does that mean some guy who insists on bringing his daughter into a men's room (when there is no "family" or caregiver bathroom available) is a "predator" for forcing the "wrong" sex person to use that bathroom?

oh yes, the hypothetical feeble grannie in the wheelchair.
she's always rolled out when the scare mongers need a good foil.  next will be little suzy - blond, blue-eyed, just 5 years old.  only of course she isn't real.  props never are, nor can they be identified by name in the paper because figments of the fundie imagination don't exist in the flesh.

honestly, i'm shocked that some sick fundies haven't yet staged a fake "attack" on "granny".

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