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Kids in NC get thrown under the bus

by: JimNeal

Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 21:00:05 PM EDT


(Former NC U.S. Senate candidate Jim Neal shares a very personal story that conveys why an anti-bullying bill should have passed in our state. - promoted by Pam Spaulding)

As has been reported the NC Senate's failure to pass anti-bullying legislation despite having the votes intact is disappointing shows a disturbing and unacceptable lack of courage and compassion. They threw kids in the state of North Carolina under the bus when they had an opportunity to protect them.
JimNeal :: Kids in NC get thrown under the bus

I have communicated privately with many members of the NC House and the NC Senate regarding passage of the anti-bullying legislation. In doing so, I made clear to them that mine was a a private correspondence written as a parent, not as a politician and not as someone who planned to publicize our discourse so at to subject them to outside pressures. I did so out in order to give them an opportunity to round the votes required for passage of bill without feeling as if I were trying to shame or embaress them publicly. And I did have continued private conversations with members of both houses, Democrat and Republican.

Now that the bill has failed to pass, I'm am not going to break my word to kiss and tell about those conversations. However, am going to comment on the failure to pass this legislation and go on record publicly with my thoughts. First, here is an excerpt of a personal story which I related to them.

I would like to share with you a personal experience which I hope you will take into account during your deliberations. I hope no other family has to experience the same sort of situation my family did.

My two sons, at the ages of nine and eleven, were teased and harassed— beaten in a few instances— when they were attending public school in California. As some of you may know, I raised my boys as a single parent. I taught Jamie and Winston a simple lesson: if you are threatened, always speak to your teacher, guidance counselor or principal and don’t take actions into your own hands (a departure from my Dad’s admonition to me over 40 years ago that I should bust a bully between the eyes.) Unbeknownst to me, one of my boys’ teachers was letting him out of school a few minutes early each day so that he could get a running start home from several kids who were bullying him. Neither he nor his younger brother told me about this situation, in part because of an incident months earlier in which my eldest son had been teased and reported same to his guidance counselor. Nothing happened. The teasing continued. He didn’t think that reporting the harassment would make a difference. Experience gave him no reason to believe otherwise.

A few months later, I received a call from a neighbor alerting me that my sons had been suspended from school, arrested and were being held at a juvenile detention facility. Their offense? My older son, all of 11 years old, had brought an unloaded pellet gun to school which he had borrowed from a schoolmate days earlier. He never brandished it, and it was no longer in his locker that day when another student had told their teacher about Jamie having brought the pellet gun to school. I was out-of-town on a business trip at the time. I rushed to the airport while trying to arrange bail for my kids with the assistance of my close friends on the ground.

By the time I had landed early that evening, it was clear that we were not going to be able to roust a judge to release them on bail. When I was able to visit them that evening, I will never forget the look on my sons’ faces as they stared at me in bewilderment from behind a wall of Plexiglas, clad in baggy orange jumpsuits. They were detained overnight and because of their ages and, thank God, were segregated from the rest of the population. Why had my eleven year-old brought a weapon to school? “To scare them away, Dad, so they’d leave me alone” he said. He recounted the whole story about what was happening to him on a daily basis at school.

I was livid: my kids weren’t being protected by a system responsible for their safety to the point of feeling the need to do just the opposite of what they had been taught. Jamie and Winston had been targeted because their dad was gay. That’s all. It was about their association with someone else- me-- not them. The judge who heard the case agreed some months later, lecturing the attorneys for the school district for their handling of the situation. Lawyers suggested that I file suit against the district but I had no interest in having my sons go through that ordeal just to make a point. The damage had been done. We moved on. My kids deserved better.

The school system wisely forbade the possession on school premises of any type of weapons, even seemingly harmless ones. Administrators, teachers, parents and kids were all aware and supportive of a law which made schools safer. At the same time, school administrators and faculty were insensitive to the abject bullying which endangered my sons. Their blind spot sent a loathsome signal to my kids, their classmates and the school community about the failure of those in a position of authority to respect and protect the safety of every young boy and girl. Every kid attending public school in our state deserves to be and feel safe in school. The bill before you, if anything else, will raise the bar of sensitivity of teachers and administrators in regard to exactly which sorts of situations might undermine the safety and well-being of every child.

Simply saying that we don’t need any “protected classes” misses the point. I know the language in regard to sexual orientation in this bill has become the bone of contention, but that too misses the point. So-called protected classes have evolved over all of our lifetimes in response to the times; I remember someone calling a black classmate of mine a “monkey” when I was in elementary school in Greensboro. Our teacher said “shhh” when some kids laughed. That would be unthinkable today.

The goal of this bill is to broaden awareness and strengthen safety. This legislation shouldn’t be framed by some partisan debate over social, moral or religious beliefs. A kid who’s teased for any reason needs an adult to intervene. For hook or for crook, kids are teased in our schools all the time in regard to gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and the like. Ask a teacher, or a student, and you’ll get confirmation.

In closing, I hope that this story will shed a little light on the legislation before you. I’m optimistic that you will vote from the heart for what is best for our kids. Like so many issues before our state and our nation, this is not Democratic or Republican legislation. It is about keeping our kids safe— all of them. We are a moral and just people here in North Carolina. The last thing you, your colleagues or any parent would want to happen after you adjourn this session is to have a child injured or killed as a consequence of inaction on the part of this august body.

The members of the North Carolina Senate who chose not to show up for work last Thursday to vote for protecting school children in our state are:

Sen. Janet Cowell (D/Wake County and candidate for North Carolina State Treasurer 2008).*

Sen. Charles Dannelly (D/Mecklenburg County and recently-appointed co-chair of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee)

Sen. Malcolm Graham (D/Mecklenburg County)

Sen. Kay Hagan (D/Guilford County and candidate for the United States Senate 2008)** 

Sen. Clark Jenkins (D/Edgemcombe, Martin and Pitt Counties)*

Sen. Larry Shaw
(D/Cumberland County)

Sen. Jerry W. Tillman (R/Montgomery and Randolph Counties)*

*  Sens. Cowell, Jenkins and Tillman were present in the morning but were not present to vote on certain legislation later in the day.

** Sen. Hagan defeated me and three other candidates in the May 2008 Democratic primary.

The kids they threw under the bus couldn't vote on Thursday, nor could their families. Every one of the aforementioned senators had voted last year for a (weaker) version of this legislation. And every one of the aforementioned members of the North Carolina Senate works for the citizens of our state. We pay their salaries and their benefits. We hired them to represent us and our children. They failed us. They failed those who don't have a voice and needed their voices to vote Aye.

I have one voice and I'm using it right now. I hope more of you-- wherever you may live-- will do likewise.

Last week, just after having had surgery to remove a brain tumor and against the advice of his doctors, US Senator Ted Kennedy hobbled into the well of the US Senate to cast a crucial Aye vote for Medicare health care legislation. He used his voice to represent America. God knows he had ample reason to be absent. But he showed up for work anyway.

That's leadership. That's support, not lip service, when the rubber hits the road. That's courage. And, that's one helluva public servant.


NOTE FROM PAM: I'll repeat here what I said in my main post on this debacle... Had the MIA Dem members of the legislature been present and voted, the anti-bullying bill would have passed. This was a bill that would cover children who may not be gay at all, but simply do not conform to gender presentation norms. Below is freely available data those elected officials didn't deem serious or significant enough show up and vote on in order to protect all children in our schools. GLSEN:

 

Only nine states and the District of Columbia have comprehensive anti-bullying laws that specifically address bullying and harassment based on sexual orientation and only three of these laws mention gender identity. Nine other states have "generic" anti-bullying laws that do not specifically define "bullying" or enumerate categories of protected classes such as sexual orientation or gender identity. The remaining 32 states have no laws at all. The NSCS found that both states with "generic" anti-bullying laws and states with no law at all had equally high rates of verbal harassment. States with inclusive policies that specifically enumerate categories including sexual orientation and gender identity, however, have significantly lower rates of verbal harassment (31.6% vs. 40.8%).
* Bullying and Gay Youth: Students hear anti-gay slurs such as “homo”, “faggot” and “sissy” about 26 times a day or once every 14 minutes. Anti-Gay Bullying: What’s the Big Deal?
Overall, 61% of students said they knew someone who had been called gay or lesbian. That’s the biggest increase of any form of harassment students knew about, up from 51% in 1993. Most other experiences of sexual harassment have remained steady or decreased. * When asked about their own experiences, 36% say they have “ever” been called lesbian or gay. That’s the biggest jump among all the types of harassment students experienced, up from 17% in 1993. * 19% of boys said they had been called gay “occasionally” or “often,” double the rate in 1993 (9%). * 13% of girls said they had been called lesbian “occasionally” or “often,” almost triple the rate in 1993 (5%).
Related: * PFLAG NC reacts to killing of anti-bullying bill * NC: anti-bullying bill killed
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now, now, let's get this right
They threw kids in the state of North Carolina under the bus when they had an opportunity to protect them.

They only threw those kids who spit in the eye of tradition by being LGBT, being perceived as LGBT or are friendly and supportive of those who are LGBT.  They will fight to the death to protect the "good christian" kids and families and their right to torture/abuse/bully/disenfranchise anyone who has the audacity not to abide by whichever fundie/orthodox bible passages they choose to believe in.

Remember, life begins the second a sperm has the opportunity to try to penetrate the zona pelucida and end with live birth.  Protections are only afforded after live birth to children of "traditional" marriages, and only then to those who accept the wholesome Christian view of life (at least by pubic statement, if not by actually living in accordance to the creed).


No, all kids is right
They didn't just throw the LGBT kids under the bus, they threw all kids under the bus. The bill also included bullying based on race, religion, physical appearance, ancestry, and disability, but the fundies apparently thought protecting their own kids from the consequences of harassing gay kids was worth throwing the fat kids, the Hispanic kids, the Buddhist kids, and the kids in wheelchairs under the bus, too. Passing the stripped-down version of the bill would have been no better, though; the GLSEN report cites study results that anti-bullying policies with no enumerated categories are no better than no policy at all.

The point of enumerations is to force bigoted teachers to protect all kids, even the gay ones and the black ones, and to give teachers who are afraid of backlash from parents and administrators the courage and the backing to protect kids with "unpopular" characteristics. If our state legislators, who had access to a poll showing that 72% of NC voters supported the inclusive bill, were too afraid of the fundies to even vote on this bill, then how can we expect our teachers to have the courage to stand up for our kids when they know (or fear) that the consequences could be censure, termination, or public vilification?

The superintendent of schools for my own school district, Forsyth County, NC, has publicly stated that he will not support adding enumerations to our anti-bullying policy until he is forced to do so by legislation. Considering that one of our school board members has said that she doesn't mind if gay kids get picked on because they're sinners, our LGBT kids don't have a chance without the School Violence Prevention Act.


[ Parent ]
you are correct
the inclusive provisions were quite broad and equally important. The hot-button issue, however, was the inclusion of  language protecting kids because of sexual orientation, gender identitykids or expression, etc. (not exact see http://www.ncga.nc.us for specifics of H1366)

Jim Neal in Chapel Hill

[ Parent ]
I so wish you would have won that primary
You get this in a way no straight person would.  I know what it is like to be targeted by a group of bullies and I was sorely tempted to use any means to get out.  Luckily I didn't.  I hope your kids are OK.  Thanks for trying.

the scars
from that experience- without further elaboration- endured.

Jim Neal in Chapel Hill

[ Parent ]
So sad!
So sad that the  head of state Education, Howard Lee, would say that detailing the list of who not to bully was unnecessary.  I am a friend of his family and find them all compassionate, supportive and intelligent and was so disappointed by Howards remarks.
Chapel Hill Carrborro School District (NC) has written policy that states it is not OK to discriminate against teachers, employees and students for any reason especially for sexual orientation!  I don't know if any other school districts in NC have this policy.

Guilford County Policy
Here's the Guilford County policy.  I don't know how well it's enforced.

It is the policy of the Guilford County Board of Education to maintain a learning environment that is free from harassment, bullying, and discrimination. This includes, but is not limited to, harassment, bullying, and discrimination based on an individual's real or perceived race, color, sex, religion, creed, political belief, age, national origin, linguistic and language differences, sexual orientation, gender identity/expression, socioeconomic status, height, weight, physical characteristics, marital status, parental status, or disability. The Board prohibits any and all forms of harassment because of those differences.


[ Parent ]
we have
100 counties in North Carolina, of which Guilford County (Greensboro/High Point area) is one of the three largest along with Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) and Wake County (Raleigh).

So,there are 97 other counties...

Jim Neal in Chapel Hill


[ Parent ]
List of NC school policies
Equality NC's research on this from last year is listed in an article at this link.

http://equalitync.org/news1/20...

This list was compiled before the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school system adopted their policy last year.

Some counties have more than one school system in NC (Orange County being one of those).  That accounts for there being more school systems (115) than counties (100).


[ Parent ]
I look at that list and am both angry and ashamed to see
that Wake County isn't on the list while Edgecomb County (Rocky Mount/Tarboro) of all places is.  I will say Wake County does cover gays under the sexual harassment policy (saying person x is gay is sexual harassment against person x) as I have had to use that as leverage to get students to stop hounding me about it.

[ Parent ]
I actually post this, minus the reference to Guilford county, in my classroom
I found it on a website.  A friend of mine subs for that district and he says it is enforced fairly well.

[ Parent ]
Good to know it's enforced
It's one of the most comprehensive policies I've seen.

It infuriates me that a senator who represents this county wouldn't show up to vote for this.   Guess she's afraid she'll lose votes in those "conservative" rural counties. She must have forgotten how well Jim did in those counties.


[ Parent ]
Howard Lee
is an acquaintance in Chapel Hill where I live.

Could you please source his quote?

I am going to speak with him.

Jim Neal in Chapel Hill


[ Parent ]
Here it is
http://www.newsobserver.com/po...

Speaking with reporters and editors at The News & Observer on Wednesday, Lee said a specific list of potential bullying targets, including students harassed because of their sexual orientation, is not necessary.

In 2004, staff at the state Department of Public Instruction prepared a bullying policy for the State Board of Education to approve that included sexual orientation, political beliefs, age, linguistic differences and socio-economic status among the reasons students might be bullied. The board ended up approving a policy without those descriptions.

"Bullying is bullying," Lee said. "I don't care who it's against and under what circumstances."

end of quote

hope that helps


[ Parent ]
thank you
of all people Howard Lee-- the first black mayor of a southern town (Chapel Hill)-- should know better.  

Jim Neal in Chapel Hill

[ Parent ]
I just had to add this
I know what your kids went through.  At one point in 8th grade I had finally decided I had enough.  I couldn't see a way out except just killing myself.  I had heard of killing oneself with an oven and figured it would be a great idea.  Turns out you can't use an electric oven (who knew).  Once that didn't work and my parents came home so I didn't follow through with any other method.  Eventually I was able to butch up and pass better so I got less crap on a daily basis. I realize that but for the grace of God I could have either killed myself or wound up in jail for killing someone else.  As it is it took a really long time for me to realize I am a decent person who deserves to be treated decently.  As a teacher today, I make damn sure kids in my class don't go through what I did.  As a sponser of a gay straight alliance I am fighting to change the system so that regardless of what teacher they have they won't go through what I did.  Telling your kid's story, something I know had to be painful, will help immeasurably with getting a future bill passed.

Thank you, for your story dsc999

...and Thanks to Jim Neal for being here as a barista, to help us all spread the word about discrimination and inequality.  I for one, will sincerely appreciate his input in the coming months. I am sorry he is not busy running for office.. but that is in his future apparently.

Out Loud, Out Loud, Out Loud... Talking, Fighting, Demonstrating, whatever it takes, especially to protect our children.  Sorry North Carolina but keep up the pressure for everyone to accept equality and from forcing their bigotry on others. 

to dsc999...forget No Child Left Behind.. how about finding funds from a supportive foundation and start GSA's in EVERY SCHOOL in this nation. 



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
there are actually some foundations out there who do fund
though GSA's are relatively cheap to run to be honest.  But the foundation run by Gill and GLSEN do help with funding and supplies for day of silence etc.

[ Parent ]
Yes, I know they try.
But I get posts they need funds.~ $650 per year, according to what they say. That adds up to quite a bit. 

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
One thing you might do is hit up gay folk you know well
Many of us had crappy times in school and are more than willing to part with some coin to keep others from the same fate.  I have gotten some money from people.  The donations are tax deductible which is a big selling point. I don't know the rules of your school district but the kids might be able to fundraise (mine makes it very difficult to fundraise).  We ran on a shoe string due to lacking a real ability to raise funds in a systemmatic way and fundraising is something I am going to look into as well.

[ Parent ]
Thank you
Jim, I'm sorry your boys had to go through this.  Thanks for sharing this and trying to make sure no other kid has the same experience.    

A cliche never so apt:
"For God's sake, won't somebody please think of the children!"

This list of absent NC senators in the body of this post is not accurate
At a minimum, Senators Cowell, Jenkins, and Tillman were present and voted on bills on Thursday, July 17.   This is not to say that Senator Tillman was on our side.  However, this list does not accurately reflect the legislative record of Thursday, July 17.  

Well there goes my idea
I was going to suggest that if Cowell couldn't come up with a good explantion for her absence that she be our example.  We sadly, can't target Hagan since losing the Senate seat would be a disaster.  A GOP treasurer would be less than great but we could live with it.

[ Parent ]
I am
not suggesting that anyone "target" any of the seven senators. That is your decision.

I am disappointed in all of them. I intend to hold them and the body of the senate accountable for failing to protect kids in our state. They had an opportunity to put a STOP sign up at a dangerous intersection but seemed intent on waiting to do so until after a child has been hit by a car.

I believe in holding elected officials accountable for their actions-- including taking them out of their comfort zone. Otherwise, they have no incentive to change.

"Change" is a popular term these days. It's not about words, however, it's about action-- in this case, change = votes.

And not showing up to vote equaled voting no.



Jim Neal in Chapel Hill


[ Parent ]
As a practical matter most of us can only affect the ones running statewide
I don't live in the other people's districts and any donations I might be able to make are pretty small.  Only Hagan and Cowell are running statewide and now it appears Cowell did her job.  

[ Parent ]
see above
I made a notation to reflect that Sens. Cowell, Jenkins and Tillman were present part of the day, as per the legislative record for July 17th 2008.

Thank you.

Jim Neal in Chapel Hill


[ Parent ]
The real deal on absences
Late coming to this discussion, as took a weekend off after two weeks of 10-14 hour days working on this bill.

Folks should know that Cowell, Jenkins and Tillman all left after consideration of this bill was off the table. Cowell wouldn't have left if it were still coming up.

Also, Hagan did get a pair, so her presence wouldn't have changed things.

Both Hagan and Cowell were good allies working on this bill.


[ Parent ]
Coincidence? Anti-bullying fails while Exodus in NC
Exodus International has offered a mixed message about getting out of politics and public policy advocacy to focus solely on ministry. In the past the organization's leaders have proven themselves comfortable with anti-gay lobbying at the federal, state, and local level.

I'll be curious, over time, to see whether Exodus interacted directly with NC legislators, or indirectly -- by coaching NC ex-gays and/or parents of gays, for example -- in the course of recent events.


Jim !
May I repost your story about your sons on my blog ( http://ravenhurst-ravenhurst.b... )? I get about 50 readers a day since I started in mid-June, many of them straight migraine sufferers.  Stories such as yours do much to educate.  Let me know.

This NC situation just breaks my heart.

Richard Seward
Cherokee, CA

The fight for full LGBT Equality is NOT over.  Be strong and be ready to really fight!  And read my blog in your spare time! http://ravenhurst-ravenhurst.b...


I hope he gives permission
that is a great thing you wish to do.  Hope you find some relief from migraines.  One of my relatives had them and they were brutal.

[ Parent ]
of course
you may-- and whomever else wishes to cross-post or distribute please feel free to do so.

Jim Neal in Chapel Hill

[ Parent ]
Thanks, Jim
I will post right after I walk Molly my dog ... first things first! LOL

http://ravenhurst-ravenhurst.b...

The fight for full LGBT Equality is NOT over.  Be strong and be ready to really fight!  And read my blog in your spare time! http://ravenhurst-ravenhurst.b...


[ Parent ]
At age 11, I snapped after enough bullying.
  I remember the day very well.  It was November and cold out side (cold for Florida 50) I had a friend over and we were building with lego blocks.  Some of my sisters friends were at the house and decided it was time to pick on us.  They came into the room, picked us both up and threw us into the cold swimming pool and than locked us out of the house with no towels.

 When I got out of the pool, I was upset, hurt and angry.  I broke my parents bathrrom window with a brick that was used as part of the landscaping.  After climbing through the window, I picked up the brick, grabbed a bayonette my dad had from Korea and went on a rampage.  I threw the brick giving one a serious head injury and then stabbed him in the leg while he was lying on the ground.  As the others fled to get out of the house, I threw the brick again hitting another in the back.  The door they where trying to exit was double locked as well as across from the kitchen.  I threw a can opener (old hand one for steel cans), Mason jars my mom used for storing food, a few knifes and forks.  I threw anything I could get my hands on at them until they made it out the door.  I gave chase out the door which led to the garage.  They had gotten the garage door open, but I was able to get one with a steel pronged rake.  I gave chase to the only one left standing down the street where there was a police car on his way to my house.  And yes he did stop running when he reached the police car and I clubbed him with the rake until the police grabbed the rake and me.

 All five of them had to recieve medical attention.  two went home that night, two the following day, and one five days later (the one I stabbed) Oh, I forgot to mention, they were four to six years older than me.

 As for the police, they saw it was pretty clear what happened, as I was still wet.  My sister (4 years older than me) told the truth.  I had to see a psychologist for help on dealing with bullies.  And my parents were told to not allow my sister's friends near me.  And dad was told to put the bayonettes and other weapons in a different place in the house.

 My point being, an anti-bullying law might just save the lives of the Bullies as well.  And this is not the only time I snapped.



If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


Damn dude
I internalized it more so I didn't go after other people much.  At least, I bet no one screwed with you after that.  My brother's friends were pretty brutal toward me so I can relate (he was 4 years older than me).  Glad you endured man.

[ Parent ]
Democrat = Unprincipled Coward

The bill failed because several NC Democrats deliberately took a quick vacation to avoid having to appear like queer loving commies by voting against the harassment and beating of children.

This mirrors the national trend by Democrats, especially the Obama campaign and the DNC, who are taking extraordinary steps to distance themselves from the 'fringes' of society. As usual, we're the 'fringe' and again, as usual, we're being sent to Siberia for the duration of the election period. If their history is any guide, we'll be there for quite a while after the election too.  

Following on the heels of the Democrats butchery of our legislative agenda - ENDA and Hate Crimes murdered, DOMA and DADT retained after two years of congressional control - Obama is moving into the bigot's camp in a big way with his initiative to expand the taxpayer financed bribes cult leaders get in exchange for votes - the so-called 'faith-based' laws.

Reliance on Democrats is a failed and invariably self-defeating tactic. We need a massive campaign including demonstrations and alliance building to demand tough and specific laws against harassment and violence and laws that enable us to sue the cults and political groups and figures who campaign for bigotry.  That kind of struggle is far more important than choosing another lesser evil. Our youth come before partisan political activity.


The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


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