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Feeling the spirit of political rules

by: Chino Blanco

Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 22:54:07 PM EDT


( - promoted by Pam Spaulding)

By Derek Price
With Permission

When The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints recently announced it would jump into California politics by supporting a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, many Mormons - including myself - were appalled.

Some members were upset that their tithing donations would be used to support a political agenda with which they disagree. Others were disappointed to see the church once again veer from its hollow claim of "political neutrality." And some found it laughable that the LDS church, which was founded by people with famously liberal marriage arrangements, is now taking a "one man, one woman" stance.

Isn't that a little ironic?

Really, though, this isn't just an issue about Mormons, gays and the California Constitution. Aside from the unpleasant thought of individual religious groups trying to force their doctrine upon all people through the enactment of civil law, there's another reason churches should stay out of politics.

It's all about the money.  

Chino Blanco :: Feeling the spirit of political rules
You see, when churches decide to turn themselves into de facto political committees, they flout America's campaign finance laws that are designed to keep the flow of political money transparent and limited in scope. While politically active churches may comply with the letter of the law, they definitely don't comply with the spirit. That gives them an unfair advantage.

If I were to donate to a political action committee or 527 group, for example, there are three major drawbacks compared with giving to a church. One, my donation would not be tax-deductible. Two, my money would be precisely tracked - and made public - because of campaign reporting requirements. And three, the law limits how much money I'm allowed to give.

Churches, though, don't have those limitations. When I give to a politically active church, I get a tax break. The money is also collected and spent in complete secrecy without any public tracking or accountability, and there's no limit to how much I can donate.

That's a little unfair, don't you think?

That's why whenever churches decide to play the political game - which I wish would never happen - they ought to at least abide by the same rules as everyone else. If they don't, they turn themselves into a money-laundering operation whereby contributions are made completely anonymously, then spent in unknown ways to influence public policy.

No matter where you stand on the issue of marriage freedom, it's wrong for any organization to flout America's already lax campaign finance rules by operating in darkness.

Let's hope the Mormon church sees the light. The church should either abide by the same restrictions as all political groups or - gasp! - let its members make up their own minds about which political issues to support.

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* DEREK PRICE is a newspaper editor and lifelong Mormon living in Alabama.  

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What's Sunday without a little scripture?
And just for today, let's make it a little Mormon scripture:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/d...

We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.

D&C 134:9

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But it's all perfectly legal
Churches and ministers can campaign for ballot issues and political parties, just not for specific candidates.

I'd agree, as far as the tip of the iceberg is concerned ...
... meaning, the stuff we can all see going on.

That said, I asked Derek if I could use his commentary mainly because the campaign financing shenanigans have become so pervasive that I just gave up trying to write about them (where to start?  once you start digging, the sheer volume of suspect activity that never gets properly investigated becomes overwhelming).  For example, the case of Marriage Education Initiatives:

http://deseretnews.com/article... obile/1,5620,600105052,00.html

MEI seems to have blatantly broken the spirit and letter of campaign rules, but once the election's over, you never hear from or about them again.

What I liked about Derek's piece is that he's appealing directly to Mormons and their sense of fairness.  And, as LDS scripture shows, early LDS leaders tried to make the same appeal back when they were getting the Prop 8 treatment from American society.  

Oh, and I do appreciate the patience of the readers around here.  You're not really the target audience, but I enjoy sharing.  I promise to give the Mormon posts a rest after this one.

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Quite all right.
That's why we Loooove the Blend... so much good discourse takes place here, and we can all become more enlightened because of it. I forwarded it, but think you should too, to Eq Ca, via:   Geoff Kors ..   email@eqca.org. Thanks again for your input.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


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Derek: 'people can post this wherever they want'
As such, might this be a useful Letter to the Editor to your local newspaper?

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How soon after the Prop 8 battle do Evangelicals
go back to picketing Mormon temples?

Just wondering.

I mean, considering that it's only July, and the ProtectMarriage.com folks are already characterizing their fellow travellers, Campaign for California Families, as a bunch of extremists, I'd guess we could expect to start seeing those pickets again some time around, say, November 5th.

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If $'s the nub, can we even get there from here?
I find it frustrating that I can pop over to the UK and find more LDS financial disclosure than I can in the USA (where there's effectively none, zip, nada).

http://www.charity-commission....

Whatever one may think of this utter lack of disclosure requirements here in the USA, at least it means that we all start from the same place when discussing LDS finances:  the dark.

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Maternal half of my family LDS
They all know I'm gay, and disabled with AIDS, and they all love me just as I am. In the last month my aunt and oldest cousin just died, and I support their husbands wife and children in their grieving.
Most Mormons don't adhere to the frothing hatred of LGBTs that their priesthood spews, any more than most Catholics adhere to the hatred from the NAZI Pope Ratzinger.
btw. I noticed Ancestory.com sponsors that putrid maggot Michael Savage WEINER....quelle suprise, one of the biggest Mormon cash cows is used to fund hate and ignorance?

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


That most Mormons don't spew hatred
is what makes it so worth trying to reach them on this issue.

I think the LDS leadership jumped into this whole Prop 8 business before they'd properly gauged the mood of the rank-and-file membership since Prop 22.

My folks know I'm actively opposed to what their church is doing and we're still cool.  Good to hear your LDS family brings the same compassion.

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It depends... there are 2 LDS Churches.
There are two different parts of the LDS Church: the Utah/Idaho church (the equivalent of Mormon Mecca,) and the rest of the world church. While the LDS people outside of the Utah/Idaho church tend to be more liberal and open minded, the same can't be said of their counterparts. Living in Idaho, and having lived for a while in Salt Lake City, I can assure you that the Church's hostile stance on homosexuality is directly mirrored in the culture. Trust me, Chris Butters of Utah (the anti-GSA lawmaker) is more the norm of Utah/Idaho society than we'd ever like to admit. Reading what former/current GLBT LDS people wrote on a wall at Utah Pride about their public/church/family condemnation and rejection was a heartbreaking affair. I personally know too many former-LDS LGBT people who have been disowned by family and excommunicated from the LDS Church. I left the LDS Church years ago, so I don't have to live with the fear of excommunication any more.

It also doesn't hurt that the LDS Church has been doing a thorough whitewashing of their past regarding LGBT issues. They're now trying to pretend that they never resorted to shock therapy in their Evergreen anti-gay therapy program, and have now changed it to the mentally/spiritually abusive group-therapy model of conversion therapy, a la Exodus International.


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What you describe is what makes the LDS stance in the Prop 8 battle
vulnerable to appeals to moderate and liberal California Mormons to vote their conscience, rather than follow political directives from Utah.  Also ...

- Utah repealed Prohibition and went against Salt Lake's instructions in doing so.

- Sites like http://signingforsomething.org... have received enough letters from Mormons living in the Utah/Idaho Mormon corridor that it'd seem there's something like a real opposition to Prop 8 building, even in the Mormon Mecca.

- Defeating Prop 8 in November is gonna help a lot of folks to stop pretending, the Mormon leadership included.

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Mormon family
I had a dear friend who died of AIDS ten years ago. While he was in the hospital at the end, it was his former partner's Mormon family that came every day, stayed with him, held his hand and above all made him laugh--while his jerk brother, the minister (never did find out in what church)kept trying to tell him to repent before its too late (or words to that effect); he had to have his brother kicked out. In the end, it was his ex-partner's mom that was sitting at his bedside at midnight holding his hand when he passed away. His last words were "I love you mom".

From what I have seen, your family and my friend's family are far more typical of most LDS than the hate mongers. I know quite a few LDS folks up here, too (including my next door neighbors, my daughter's Girl Scout leader and other folks I know pretty well); they are all good people, not a single bigot among them.

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Churchy wanna play in the secular pool...
...then Churchy can start playing by the secular rules and pay his share of the secular bills.

As an atheist, I can barely describe how maddening it is to see an entire segment of society getting so many special passes on legal issues on the basis of something that can't be proven in a court of law.

Yes, you have a First Amendment right to believe any superstition you choose, and government cannot support or oppose any of them.  But your beliefs should not get you special consideration.

"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson


and this IS about....
  During the civil rights movement, churches were as engaged in fighting segregation as upholding it. Therein lies the proverbial way to see who and what passes moral muster.
 Engaging the public in what was used to ENFORCE segregation is what put church organization of non violent civil disobedience put that movement squarely on the side of what's right.

 The same could be said of where the churches engaged in support of Prop 8 put themselves.
 It's the historical context of how this discrimination written into the Constitution betters or worsens the creed of this country.
They are not considering the valleys of enforcement against gay people and the hills of what's achieved in communities of openness and acceptance.

     As it stands, marriage IS banned or not legal in all but a very few states.
Has marriage or it's meaning to the general population changed so that divorces or other disruptions in marriage and family are strengthened?
Is the failure rate pretty much constant, and not exactly improving by the influence of the same factions that are anti marriage equality?

  What's really happening is that they don't think through ALSO, the meaning and important of Constitutional integrity and intent.
 That it's creed and added amendments have their purpose too, none of which IS to favor or oppose a religious view.
 And it's purpose is for support and protection, NOT discrimination.
 So in NOT upholding marriage quality, the quality of the state and federal Constitutions are damaged.

    I think those of us politically invested in defeating this amendment should posit the argument as this: this isn't about saving marriage or defining it, but not allowing discrimination to be written into such an important law illegally and arbitrarily.

      Marriage won't be saved by it anyway, but the integrity of our nation's creed of civil protection FROM such a tyranny by the majority certainly will.


This is what I said a few days ago
  In this post
I agree trans rights need to be on the front page as well as SSM in many ways.  But some people seem to forget that the Constitutions of states are being amended with discrimination against citizens of the US.  That makes SSM the big important issue.  This is my own oppinion.

 The religious nuts who want to replace the constitution with biblical law like Mike Huckabee.

I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.

 Those of us who want to defeat Prop 8 need to get this out.  The Snake Oil sales people know what their Bible-Constitution-Changing-Agenda is and they are hoping that 50% + 1 of the populaion buys into their scam. And it was only last year that congress fell victim to this big step of the religious right.

12/11/2007--Passed House amended.
Recognizes the Christian faith as one of the great religions of the world.
Acknowledges: (1) the international religious and historical importance of Christmas and the Christian faith; and (2) the role of Christians and Christianity in the founding of the United States and in the formation of the western civilization.
Rejects bigotry and persecution directed against Christians.
Expresses support for and respect to Christians in the United States and throughout the world.

It is going to be some work to stop and reverse this part of the Bible-Constitution-Changing-Agenda.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


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When LDS elders want to spit on Brigham Young and his 12 wives
call me

Seems Mormons are fine giving Brigham Yoiung the honor of their UNIVERSITY, but now want to say marriage was ALWAYS One Man and One Woman...hell they can't even use the Bible or Book of Mormon to sell that BULL, there's polygamy all through the Bible, and slavery, and women as property.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


Mind-boggling, isn't it?
Gordon Smith, the Mormon Republican Senator from Oregon, recently tried to let on like he shared concerns about defining 'traditional' marriage:

"Part of what I fear, as you start defining marriage -- we have a long history of doing that in this country, and my Mormon pioneer ancestors were the victims of that. They were literally driven from the United States in the dead of winter for following their religious beliefs. I don't want that coming back."

Of course, what he said he didn't want coming back is exactly what his church is working right now to bring back.  So, he quickly ran away from what he'd said.  

What a complete and utter hypocrite.  

If he's so fearful of the consequences of defining marriage, he oughta be getting out in front of the Mormon opposition to Prop 8.

Just one more reason I hope he loses that damn Senate seat of his.

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No surprise
Ugh. I grew up with these folks in the Mormon Belt of northeastern California (way outside the Bay Area), and I saw the way Mormon politicians used their affiliation and the assistance of Mormon church leaders to get the voters out to the polls (think John Doolittle, Abramoff crony now leaving office under a cloud). I agree that if they want to get involved in politics, they should forfeit their tax exempt status.

Is Romney getting the VP call this week?
I miss the chuckles I used to get reading the conservative Mormon blogs, watching them tie themselves into knots trying to convince themselves that it was the sneaky liberals, and not Evangelical religious bigots, who'd sunk his Presidential hopes.  

So, here's to Romney getting the nod soon, and to fresh opportunities to remind California Mormons of what their Evangelical partners in the Yes on 8 coalition really think about the Mormon 'cult'.  

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PLEASE pick Mittler
His FLIP FLOPS on choice and Gay Rights are LEGENDARY, and Catholics and Baptist get queezy just thinking of a Mormon in the White House.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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mittler is given credit as some economic genius to help know nothing McSame
All democrats have to do is show the costs of the big dig, and Mittler's healthcare program, and then divide 45 million for the 100 delegates he bought. Doesn't sound to shrewd with money after all.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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Church, taxes and political identity
Derek said "No matter where you stand on the issue of marriage freedom, it's wrong for any organization to flout America's already lax campaign finance rules by operating in darkness".

Nice post.

The leadership of most evangelicals, mormons, and other organized religions ARE IN THE DARK about most issues.  There are some fine expamples mentioned above of people who belong to these churches, yet still find a way to act in the spirit of compassion and love.  It is unfortunate that these kind souls do not rise up to fight or speak out against the darkness of their organized religions leadership.  It is the company you keep and support in the end.  I wonder how much longer people will continue to support these hateful and misguided factions of the church that they belong to.  You can only live in the dark so long until some light reveals what you are all about.....

vanhattan


At least some of these kind souls are beginning to rise up ...
Another letter to the SL Tribune:

As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I support same-sex marriages ...

http://www.sltrib.com/Opinion/...


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Chino, I think it is worth posting.
The whole letter here. I did leave out the author's name, but you can find that easily. This is one of the better letters I have read and will forward to EQ CA, too.
Is Jesus pleased?
Public Forum Letter
Article Last Updated: 07/21/2008 06:57:52 PM MDT

As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I support same-sex marriages.
   Even though I don't understand homosexuals, I support their rights as human beings. God created them, just as he did everyone else, but he endowed them with different feelings of attraction and intimacy.
   All humans, regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation, deserve the same protection and rights under the law.
   Married heterosexual couples are protected in issues of joint ownership, government or workplace benefits, and making life and death decisions for a spouse, and it is discriminatory to judge a person unworthy of these same rights simply because of who they are.
   Being different should never be the core issue when determining if someone is worthy of being treated as an equal child of God. Jesus taught us to love one another, to bear one another's burdens, to visit the sick, the poor and the fatherless. Never has he charged us to reject anyone.
   When we tell someone they are unworthy of the same human rights and protections we enjoy simply because they live and act differently than we do, I wonder if Jesus is pleased with how we are handling this issue.

Thanks for your post and this notice.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
Tks for confirming that ...
it wasn't just me thinking this letter hit some good notes.

I've sent an email to the author, so hopefully, like Derek, he'll agree to let me post this around some of my online haunts.

By the way, I'm not sure how to link to Facebook groups from here, but there are a couple of LDS Facebook groups set up for Mormons who are opposed to Prop 8:

Sign for Something

LDS Safe Space Coalition

If any non-LDS wanted to pop by and leave a note wishing them good luck in their efforts to persuade their fellow Mormons to get on the right side of Prop 8, I'm sure they'd be tickled pink to hear from you.

While you're there, you oughta put in a plug for Pam's place.  I know I appreciate how friendly everyone seems to be around here, and I suspect they might enjoy getting to know this place as well.

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