Do your homework or teacher might shoot you

Woo

Go Texas. Show those other states how it's done!

Seriously, 110 students in the entire system and the school is on lockdown? How much of a problem can they possibly have?

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by: spiffie @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 16:24:25 PM CDT

PLEASE for the LOVE of God

Don't arm PE teachers or Vice Principals...them folks be CRAZY.

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by: peteyPornpig @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 16:29:33 PM CDT

Couldn't they just have tasers?

I mean, they could fire those whenever they wanted. They're non-lethal.

Except when they kill someone.

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by: cindik @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 17:23:56 PM CDT

I hope you're kidding...

Because if you're not, you're on the wrong website to be saying that tasers are non-lethal.  The death toll from tasers is rising, and PHB has many an article on the subject.

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by: PunkZanyJ @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 15:57:41 PM CDT

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oh wait, nevermind

I didn't see this "except when they kill someone".  Here's a tip, Cindik, if you're going to have a signature that's a short line in italics, don't end a post with a short line in italics --- it gets lost in your signature -- something people tend to be selectively blind to after reading it a couple times.

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by: PunkZanyJ @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 16:01:16 PM CDT

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Yes, I noticed that

but I couldn't edit my comment :-)
Next time I'll bold or underline it.

And you may notice the duplicate below. I'm having a bad commenting day.

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by: cindik @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 16:14:26 PM CDT

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Exactly - they make an emergency situation safer

That's why we we need them passed out by FEMA.
Teachers with guns? Wimpy Texans - Sister Mary Elizabeth could terrorize an entire school with just a ruler.

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by: Kathleen @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 17:38:32 PM CDT

Umm

What if a teacher is physically confronted by a student and pulls out his or her gun?

Isn't that the point?

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by: torrentprime @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 19:04:00 PM CDT

Wow with that title

and not highlighting all of the facts, you may have a great career ahead of you on Fox News.

First of all, they have to have a Texas concealed firearms permit. Then they have to go for even more training plus get permission by the school administration.

To get a CCP in Texas:
fingerprinted
background check
10-14 hours classroom
written test
shooting test

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by: StillLiT @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 21:54:02 PM CDT

Wow, all that for a CCP?

You have to do all that in Texas to get your CCP?  I kind of just figured that it's Texas - you can get a CCP in less than 10 minutes.

Man.  That's a lot of hoops.  I mean, don't get me wrong, I think it's great that they have to do that to be able to carry concealed, but in PA, you fill out a form with two non-related refs, have an instant background check and get your picture taken as soon as it goes through.  I went and got mine a week ago, and it took longer to find the sheriff's office (they moved it from the county courthouse to state police headquarters) than it did to actually get my CCP.

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by: neviditelny @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 23:16:16 PM CDT

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Did not realise

that is was quick and easy in Pa.

In NC I ended up going through a state background check, fed background check, classroom, written, and shooting. Plus the looooong wait time for them to actually issue the permit. Then I moved to a new county and it was impossible to renew. Their way around the law was to continually cancel my appointment until the grace period for renewal ran out.

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by: StillLiT @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 00:19:08 AM CDT

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Texas CCP

A former roommate of mine went through the process of getting his conceal carry permit though rarely carries it. His shotgun and pistol were always trigger locked and unloaded, the locked pistol in a strong box and the ammo stored in a different locked strong box. He's a big gun rights advocate, but he also is a big gun safety advocate and view the gun nuts as a much greater threat to gun rights and an liberal gun control advocate.

He thought the Texas process was too lenient, even though it is far more rigorous than most places. He told me about when he went to his shooting test, another guy in the testing session shot the person shaped test outline in the head three times until a Dept of Public Safety officer noticed and told him flat out, "do that again and you fail." When he protested that he has a right to shot in the head for self defense, the trooper failed him on the spot. Unfortunately I know most crazies aren't stupid enough during testing to pop off to a state trooper like that and end up getting their CCP.

What I don't get is that Texas has an outright ban on weapons on the premises of a school. Period.  The outright ban on weapons on schools premises can only be violated by a very select and specific set of persons. General conceal carry holders are among those excluded from the applicability of that provision. For the ban not to apply, the carrier must be a peace officer, an on-duty parole officer, a corrections department official in the discharge of his/her duties, a judge who has a conceal carry permit, a retired peace officer with a current proficiency certificate, a district attorney, county attorney or municipal attorney, an assistant DA/CA/MA with a conceal carry license, or a conceal carry licensed bailiff escorting a judicial officer.

I don't see how the school can get around that law. I see no exclusion whereby a school can permit it.

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by: craigkg @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 01:25:27 AM CDT

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Texas law...

explicitly states that a CCP holder must have permission from the school in order to carry there. If the holder does not have permission, it is a felony.

The reason that others think differently is because even the webpage for the Texas Department of Safety fails to mention that permission is needed and that carry out schools and school related functions is not allowed. Basically someone has to sit down and read the actual law to find out all of their rights (which, truthfully, they should do since this is a huge responsibility).

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by: StillLiT @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 08:47:41 AM CDT

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Being a lifelong resident of Texas

... I know exactly the kind of requirements that someone has to meet in order to carry a concealed weapon.

Take this as anecdotal, but I can assure you that this state will license anyone to carry a concealed weapon.  The licensing process has been a joke since it was introduced.  I hate that we live up to the stereotype, but we will give anyone the right to carry a weapon in this state.  Honestly, I would assume that most of, if not all, the readers of this blog would know that Texas, like any other state, would require certification, licensing, and endorsement.

Hyperbole aside, I don't care how certified any one person may or may not be.  A teacher carrying a weapon to school is a universal violation of any humanistic standard of decency.  There is absolutely zero excuse for even the gleaning of permissiveness in this situation.

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by: sput @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 10:53:20 AM CDT

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I'd be more concerned about students stealing the guns

At least at the schools where I taught.  They stole everything that wasn't nailed down.  And with at least one fight per day (not exaggerating in the slightest--our principal had his picture in the dictionary under "pathetic"), adding firearms to the mix would have ended with blood on the carpet.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to get blood out of a carpet?

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by: MileHighDawg @ Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 23:48:20 PM CDT

yeah, saves the trouble of the kid bringing their own gun

They can just grab it from Mrs. Robinson, or Mr. Martin, or whoever.

I can just see the headline now "Massacre: Student Took Gun From Teacher".

What about the other obvious problem --- teachers deciding to shoot a couple of their students for fun or because they were teased too much.  They're in a high-stress job, and teachers are in now way safe from student mockery.  All we're going to need is that spinster homeroom teacher to skip her meds one day and run into the wrong kid and blammo!

Most sensible places just put metal detectors at the front doors so nobody can enter with a gun?

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by: PunkZanyJ @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 15:56:38 PM CDT

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I've taught at three schools with gang problems

Well, the communities had gang problems.  At two of the schools (once I was certified), the administrations tried to pretend there were no problems.  We had weekly multi-person fights at one, daily multi-person fights at the other, constant graffiti and other defacement of property, anti-gay slogans and accusations toward teachers--and there were no consequences, because the administrators were petrified of losing funding for every warm body that came through the door and would not stand up to any parent on any issue ever.  One teacher separated two students during a fight and was threatened with a lawsuit by one student's mother until the teacher's union stepped in.  

At the one I was at just before my student teaching, there were 17 gangs outside the walls of the schools and none inside because the administrators let everyone know that if there were the slightest incidence of violence that was gang-motivated, the student would be expelled and not returning.  With the parents buying in that the school was the way out, as opposed to schools being the Evil Authority that their parents resisted, there were no issues anywhere.  Go figure.

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Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
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by: MileHighDawg @ Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 09:19:25 AM CDT

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Yes, I noticed that

but I couldn't edit my comment :-)
Next time I'll bold or underline it.

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by: cindik @ Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 16:12:58 PM CDT