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What Obama didn't say

by: Patrick

Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 17:35:29 PM EDT


I just received a rapturous email from the Stonewall Democrats about Barack Obama's acceptance speech last night.  Here is their assessment of what Obama said at one point in the speech:

 "As you know, last night Senator Barack Obama - in his nomination speech - called upon politicians to discontinue their attempts to scapegoat LGBT Americans for political gain."

I'm pretty sure I watched the same speech they did.  I don't recall Obama making that statement.  I did hear him say this:

"I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination."

If I am mistaken, please correct me. 

This is what drives me absolutely crazy about cheerleading - especially when the cheer is more significant than the cause for the excitement. 

Obama gave us just about the same attention that we received every night from other speakers at the convention.  I would argue that his nod in our direction is actually a bit harder to accept than the more general statements made by Kennedy, Clinton and others.  Obama still finds it acceptable to say aloud - let alone to his largest audience ever - that he is willing to fight for our right to visit the person we love in the hospital? 

Is that really the best we can hope for in the next 4 or 8 years?  Things must be much worse than I ever thought they were.  We still have to fight for politicians to agree that hospital visitation is not too liberal?

Believe me - I get it.  The differences between Obama and McCain aren't even worth wasting the breath it would take to enumerate.  I know Obama is worthy.  I know this is an historic election and his long past due nomination is a dream come true and that Obama is worthy of the nomination, the attention and the Presidency. 

I also know that my citizenship has been marginalized and pissed upon for (at least) the past 8 years.  I know that in that period of time two State Supreme Courts have said it is unconstitutional to deny me the right to marry.  I know that the previous Democrat elected President signed legislation that trumps my constitutional right to full faith and credit in the country. 

I know that Obama hasn't signed UAFA.  I know that his Party is destroying ENDA.  I know the Party is on the brink of sinking hate crimes legislation.  And what does he give us in the fabulous meal of red meat that was grinded out last night?  A wink and a nod and hospital visitation rights as a substitute for justice. 

We can get off our addiction to foreign oil, we can chase Bin Laden to his cave, and we can work toward gaining equal pay for women but it's going too far to say:

I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to be allowed to earn a living (ENDA) and to live lives free of discrimination.

 or

I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to be protected from hate crimes that occur far too often in our country and to live lives free of discrimination.

or

I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve federal recognition of the families they have created and to live lives free of discrimination.

He should have said nothing.  I could have dealt with his silence much better than I am coping with the idea that after 8 years of Bush and the 8 years before that of DOMA and DADT and Abstience Education that the best we can hope for is hospital visitation as an extension of our citizenship.

Support and promote his candidacy, Stonewall Democrats, just don't make a claim that Obama said more than what he did.  In this instance the Stonewall Democrats are using the LGBT community for political gain which is exactly what they say Obama vowed not to do.

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I'm with you brother Patrick!
Exactly my sentiments.
Actually I'm wondering what government office I go to to apply for my "hospital visitation license."

Like I wrote in some other thread, a couple of my younger straight and married supportive coworkers could only muster embarrassed chuckles when I recited Obama's call out sentence to some of us.  They know it's ridiculous how much my relationship is marginalized.

I want my "hospital visitation license" now!  


Four years ago...
...I voted for a man who explicitly shat upon the already existing achievement of equality in his, and my, home state.  John Kerry supported efforts to amend the Massachusetts constitution to overturn Goodrich.  So it's hard for me to get too worked up about what we're getting this time around, though I absolutely agree with you in principle.  A statement of support of this kind is pathetic and insulting.

I'm not sure your alternatives are better, though.  Wouldn't they all be subject to the same criticism you make against what Obama did say?  We're to be "allowed to earn a living" for instance?  Weak.

Here's the positive argument for Obama's mention:  There's power in anything that begins with "surely we can agree" and includes the formulation "our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters".  It's not for our ears, but for those of people who are not yet convinced--and it's all about creating empathy.

We care about the policy content, but the vast masses think "gay rights" for a microsecond and don't bother with the specifics.  They hear this: we're America's brothers and sisters, Obama supports quite reasonable sounding gay rights, everyone agrees.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto


I'm no speechwriter
I can't argue with you about the weak sounding statement about being "allowed to earn a living" but you get the point I was trying to make, right?

Obama could have actually offered a substantial statement of support to a community that has doggedly clung to the apron strings of his party even though Kerry thumbed his nose at us four years ago, Bill Clinton screwed us sideways over 10 years ago and his wife tried to tell us last year that it was all done for our own good.

We by and large defend Obama (as evidenced by all of the fawning over this weeks convention) even though he did the McClurkin thing and even though he went out of his way to put "god in the mix" of marriage - a stronger statement than he had to make that also makes his exclamation of hospital visitation privileges seem like a penny in our trick-or-treat bag.  

What I'm saying is that Obama didn't have to voice anything positive about marriage equality in order to make a point about the freewheeling bigotry that gets splashed on us like a passing car during every election.

The Stonewall Democrats think that is exactly what Obama did last night and they are misrepresenting his statment.    

You are right - the vast masses don't give a damn about gay rights but I do, and he wants - he needs - my vote.  I'm extremely disappointed that he chose to hold up something as lame as hospital visitation to use as a badge of courage.  This will be a close election unless Miss Congeniality (Palin) falls flat on her face.  Are hospital visitation rights going to convince me to go to the polls on election day?  

Surely we can agree that our gay brothers and sisters should be well beyond having to fight for the right to visit each other in the hospital and ought to be closer to being able to enjoy full citizenship privileges in their country of birth - which is supposed to be the greatest democracy in the world.  

Is that too much to ask for your brothers and sisters, Senator Obama - or are we still at the point where we need to beg you for the right to sit in a hospital room to watch our loved one die?


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Definitely, definitely understand your point
Don't let the Stonewall Dems or anybody else feed you a shit sandwich.  But don't underestimate the benefits of our side winning elections either.  An Obama victory would be HUGE for us.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

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(presumably)
You forgot one word.

Compared to what McCain is capable of, an Obama victory would be a neutral outcome.  Obama's presence alone does not guarantee us progress.  It only increases the potential for less harm.

He won't do anything - including find a way to extend hospital visitation privileges - unless we stay on his case and we don't help our cause by happily accepting the inadequate crumbs he tosses in our face after months and months of working to get him where he is today.

An Obama victory would be HUGE - for HIM.  Don't let him forget it.


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Thank you
I found it insulting. Alongside calls for an energy plan that is the equivalent of Kennedy's shot for the moon, Obama's goal for my family is a crumb that was reality 15 years ago in most states?

How backward compatible.

Your suggested language alternatives all have the 'upside' of pushing reconciliation at the expense of justice, which characterizes Barack Obama's political philosophy on a bumper sticker--but also acknowledge the progress we've made and our goals for our movement toward full citizenship.

So does his team exclude anyone who takes our equality seriously? Or are they so ignorant that they can't hear the difference? Either way, epic failure to ask for my vote, my mom's vote, my sisters' votes, in exchange for nothing. The people who see us as less than they are panicked when they heard it, and I was furious. Way to compromise!

I don't mind triangulating politicians, I even advise one locally. I mind being spat on for no political gain, and then being asked to pay for the privilege. Last night was not a god time for the HRC fundraiser who kept dialing until I picked up...

But wait, there's more!


Obama can't help it
There are too many people willing to give him a pass...and consequently he will end up as effective as the Clinton administration was in regard to LGBT issues.  

Hopefully he will do LESS damage by doing nothing at all.  

That would probably satisfy most of his LGBT supporters.

Thanks for reading, Phoenix.  


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