This just in...Palin's daughter is pregnant - 2nd trimester

Guess that abstinance talk didn't work, huh Sarah?

If this is not a prime example to make of Abstinance Only sex-ed programs, what is?

At least it will put the rumor that Palin's youngest actually was her daughter's...

I'm sure her daughter will make just as good of a mom as her mother is to her.

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by: bkmn @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 11:54:50 AM CDT

like mother like daughter?

Just last week AmericaBlog (please forgive me for adding a link to that site, but it's got what I need) had a post about Sarah Palin's first pregnancy and her quickie marriage:

http://www.americablog.com/200...

It looks like a repeat performance from daughter Bristol...although the daughter isn't quite married...yet.

This has made the NY Times and the SF Chronicle:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...

Oh, and McCain knew when he picked Palin.  Isn't Christianity versatile for those in power, yet strangely rigid for taxpayers?

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by: Patrick @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:07:52 PM CDT

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5 months is second timester, but still

they supposedly released the story to head off the rumor mill that Bristol gave birth to Trig

The aide said they decided to reveal this information now because of rampant Internet rumors that Sarah Palin's four month old baby, who has Down's Syndrome, was actually Bristol's. CNN

This actually makes Sarah Palin look like a horrible parent - willing to put her political aspirations above the needs of her children.  Was she so consumed with herself and her career that she went back to work a mere 3 days after the premature birth of her special needs child and paid little attention to her older children?  If this is some ruse to quash the attacks on her parenting (something that is a legitimate topic for the "Family Values" candidate), it's a really bad one.  

If the story about Bristol giving birth to Trig is true, she'd have garnered more points just being open about it in the first place or even admitting to it now.  The story of her labor and delivery of Trig (flying to Alaska while leaking amniotic fluid 4 weeks pre-term, passing good meidcal centers along the way, etc.) makes her look like a woman who was actually hoping for a bad outcome (and yes, I'm implying that the scenario is one of a woman who really wanted the baby not to survive and then be able to use it to support her supposed "pro-life" stance).  The story of her covering up for her child is one of a misguided mother trying to spare her child public humiliation; the story of her decisions regarding Trig at the end of her pregnancy/delivery is one of a callous and calculating blowhard.  Neither scenario is one that bodes well for her decision-making ability on issues of national and/or international affairs.

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by: ol cranky @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:06:23 PM CDT

Where does a gotcha moment end and sexism begin?

There is SO MUCH talk about Palin and her decision making abilities - as a pregnant mother and as a VP candidate that has a teenage unwed pregnant daughter.

I get confused with all the talk about women having the right to make decisions about their own bodies and at the same time criticizing women when the decisions they make don't meet our expectations.

Of course any discussion of this ideological conundrum will only appear in a non-conservative venue.  These questions are never raised or considered to audiences of the specious family values crowd - they are either dismissed or ignored outright.

Where is the voice of the father in both of these scenarios?  Didn't Palin's husband have concerns about his very pregnant wife traveling putting his child at risk?  

Who is the father of Bristol's baby?

It takes two to make messes like these...its time for the men to feel some heat.

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by: Patrick @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:17:48 PM CDT

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I think you missed my point

This is about a candidate who runs on the Traditional Values ticket, a ticket that insists on legislating morality and family decisions (and that their beliefs are the only correct ones) who appears to be more focused on a power grab than her own family.  This is a candidate supported by those who say women with children and a career are selfish.  Palin's actions seem to be the basis of their accusations against all women with careers and children.  Do as I say, not as I do hypocrisy.

As I've said in other comments, I would be all over a father who acted the same way and chose to put his family through a grueling campaign right now, while going through these issues.  I question her judgment because she seems to act based on what she, personally, wants/wants to do as opposed to being willing to consider what might truly be best given the situation. This sort of thinking is expected from an adolescent, not from someone who may be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

I'm not criticizing her choice to maintain a pregnancy and raise a child with special needs.  I am, however, criticizing the judgment of Sarah and Todd Palin in the unnecessary risks they chose to take in the delivery of their son.  I am also questioning their judgment of whether this is the time for Sarah Palin to take to the national stage considering the current issues their minor children face.  They are the adults and they should take their children into consideration when making these decisions.

As for putting the majority of the emphasis on Sarah Palin's decision-making ability, I feel the need to note that she is the one running for VP and that in doing so she is the one who is advocating so-called traditional values policies.

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by: ol cranky @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:44:27 PM CDT

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I hope you are right

It certainly doesn't seem like the Palin's chose their family concerns as priority over the decision to be VP.

The past history of uneven application of moral indignation leads me to believe that they could get a pass on this issue.  Hell, McCain cheated on his wife and had a second marriage license before his first marriage was ended and no one seems to give much of a crap about that.  

Not to mention that he exploits his POW story whenever possible.  

Children are pawns to these people...we can hope that there is some moral outrage in the country that isn't just reserved for LGBT citizens...but I don't have faith in that hope.  

After all, the McCain campaign is called "Country First" isn't it?  Palin is a patriot for prioritizing properly.  

And Christians love to pimp out their babies.  

Doesn't Palin have a husband?  Doesn't he have a mouth?  Isn't it time a microphone were placed in front of it?

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by: Patrick @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 13:00:40 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Amen!

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by: Fiona @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 13:01:39 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Amen, Amen, AAAAmen.

Please stop this humiliation folks... so when/how does she resign...Will the Repugs really let this go to November??

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 15:59:11 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

OK, well

Palin does not want us to have equal rights.
She is an inexperienced leader with questionable skills.

The rest of this is just nonsense and unrelated.


I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 20:27:04 PM CDT

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Daddy

Who is the father of Bristol's baby?

JMG has his pic up, and a pretty interesting "proud redneck" bio, all courtesy of the NYPost, which I find hilarious, considering the backlash against guffawing liberals has already started. The right-wing tabs are running just as hard with this, if not harder.
What bothers me is that this is and the non-hurricane are bigger stories than what happened at the RNC protests.

I agree with everyone; keep the kids out of it, but Sarah Palin herself is wide open for attack on her failed sex-ed policies.

____________________

Donate to Carmen's Place

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by: jackalope @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 12:03:23 PM CDT

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Keep the kids out of it?

If the kids aren't supposed to be part of the discussion, why are they there?  Why is the boyfriend being flown down?  School has started up here.  All of those kids should be in Alaska, in class, instead of being used as wallpaper.

Crow

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by: crow @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 20:07:05 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

A colleague of mine...

...immediately made this argument after Palin was announced, that she looks bad for having this child and then immediately launching a national political campaign.

I didn't really buy it, but I've sure been seeing online since then that a lot of women agree.

What shocked me was to see the five month old at the announcement rally.  I really, really hope that that was a one time thing and that they're not planning on dragging the poor kid around the country from venue to venue.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

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by: Sportin' Life @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:31:43 PM CDT

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I'd agree

had she not had her entire family with all of the other kids with her as well. Then having the baby there was imo fine; I didn't see it as a stunt at all.

To NOT have the baby there, when all the other children WERE, would have been the wrong move.


"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:40:57 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

PUTIN is absolutely gleeful.

Thinking he will have this dimwit to challenge him for world leadership!

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 15:55:40 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Family Planning - After the Fact

As many snarky comments as this news is already drawing on KOS, I cannot help but feel extremely sorry for the formerly young lady.  She is now a full fledge adult with a brain that will not be fully developed for another 8 or 9 years.  A body that, although ready to mate and produce another human, is still in a stage of develpment at the same time pregnant.

 It is a shame all the way around starting with the lack of birthcontrol, I have my doubts there was any failure of a product such as a ripped rubber or a pill not up to snuff.
 This pregancy I place right on good ol' mom's "women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen (except for me...oh that is right I just delivered another one last month - at least I am not in the kitchen)."  

 Sure is nice the kids are going to be married and live happily ever after.  Hopefully, she will learn about family planning and move somewhere out of Alaska.

OBTW  Has anyone heard if Charlie Crists' engagement is still holding up?
 

Pam,
J'aime ma Peau

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by: Blonde Pam @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:14:14 PM CDT

"...is going to keep the child and marry the father..."

It is sad that this young woman is now under pressure to follow through with a plan that makes her mother look good for the teevee cameras.

This may be exactly what Bristol wants to do, and she may be fully capable and mature enough to decide for herself.  But she's seventeen!  I hope she's also strong enough to say "no" if that's what she really wants to say instead.  It must be really, really difficult to suddenly and unexpectedly be in a national spotlight in this way.  How could anyone even think honestly about what they want in such a situation?

Seems wrong for them to put that part in the public statement.  Very unfair to their daughter.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

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by: Sportin' Life @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:21:49 PM CDT

Uncle McCain

will talk to her about how important it is to be married, at least once or twice.

Pam,
J'aime ma Peau

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by: Blonde Pam @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:34:23 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

The ticket is quite a caricature...

...of sexual sin, isn't it?  All the better for demonstrative holy rolling self-forgiveness I guess.  No one's ever accused right-wing christians of self-discipline or forethought, for sure.

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

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by: Sportin' Life @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:45:18 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

And then there's the $5,000,000.

All we 'middle class' make, so it won't be too hard to care for all the new and unwanted children.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 15:52:45 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

If the situation

were enough to open up an honest discussion and perhaps a change in mindset in some of the Republican base, then FINE AND GOOD for releasing this information.

But to release it as to "stave off" other rumors or the potential "embarrassment"? Disingenuous hypocracy, and by the child's own PARENT.

For shame, Sarah Palin.  

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:35:24 PM CDT

Hey Republicans!

Upset with what you've got this year?

Looking for traditional family values?

Where the candidates belive in marriage, faithfulness, true partnership with their spouses, and are excellent, concerned and fully involved parents?

Obama/Biden '08 is for YOU!!!

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:50:03 PM CDT

You beat me to it.

Obama/Biden,

Faithful Family oriented people?  YES

Any infidelity problems?  NO

Religious?  YES  

Children born out of wedlock? NO


If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 13:42:59 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

if these people were consistent

Huckabee or Mitt would be their candidate

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by: ol cranky @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 14:03:35 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I Feel Sorry for the Daughter

both for having to face the world with what should be a very private condition and for having a mom that would place her own political ambitions above her daughter's well-being. Palin had to know this would come out and not being up front about the pregnancy from the start would only make matters worse. It's like throwing her daughter to the sharks (in the form of reporters).
And the only reason Palin did try to hide this is because she knows how the fundies will see it. She knows what will be said about her as a parent. She knows what they will whisper about her daughter. Shame on her for putting her daughter through this!
But then again, maybe Palin did think she could keep this hidden. Maybe she is such an outsider and out of touch with the real national political world that she thought she could make the MSM not say anything. After all, the Alaska media has known about the pregnancy for a while and did not say a word according to a commenter here.

http://divasblueoasis.blogspot...

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by: Fiona @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:59:43 PM CDT

In years to come

This stunt may well come back to haunt Sarah Palin on so many levels personally, as I can see her daughter and grandchild hating her for both throwing them to the wolves and using to salvage her political ambitions.

Disgraceful.

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 13:33:50 PM CDT

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I know how my relatives will react...

I'm from a very conservative family in the Midwest. They are McCain voters and they are not happy with his choice of Sarah Palin.

Now, this news will send them over the edge.

Nothing quite gets tongues wagging and hellfire burning like a girl who "got herself knocked up."

Both the mother and daughter are vilified. The girl is branded a whore and the mother is blamed for not keeping her out of trouble.

The WORST thing the family can do in these situations is go public. Showing "support" for the pregnant teen is the same as endorsing premarital sex. There are no gray areas.


When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 15:24:48 PM CDT

apt comparison?

So, does this mean that Palin's parenting skills are on par with those of Brittany Spear's mother?  Seriously.  Is this the outcome of a clean and holy upbringing?

What about this kid's future? Will she ever get to see college and a career?  Not that it's not possible, but unless she has huge amounts of help, it will be exceedingly difficult.  I've seen way too many of my own family members go through this.  It's heartbreaking.

Electricity's for light bulbs!

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by: n8nyc @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:14:49 PM CDT

Why this matters:

At the Eagle Forum Alaska:

   Q: Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?

   SP: Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.

The thing that's important about Palin's daughter's pregnancy is not that a 16-17 year old got pregnant out of wedlock and the family chose to support it. If that's their choice, that's their choice. The thing that's important is that Palin wants to create a situation that will tend to leave everyone else's 16-17 year olds pregnant as well, with choice nowhere in the equation.

Palin wants to prevent teenagers from learning what they need to know about sex, and instead replace that teaching with filler that moralizes and preaches but doesn't do anything. She wants to prevent abortions even in cases of rape or incest. She wanted to amend the Alaskan state constitution to require parental consent for teen abortions, ensuring that the choice in cases like Bristol Palin's will be made by the mother's parents and not the mother. She was put on the Republican VP ticket more or less explicitly as a representative of the American evangelical subculture which believes all these things and wants to write them into our laws.

The Bristol Palin situation matters because of what it tells us about why Sarah Palin, and the subculture she represents, is doing all these things.

A drive-by commenter at 538 says:

   Sarah and Todd Palin have issued the following statement: "We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby..."

   Interesting. I see that this was Bristol's DECISION and they are proud of her DECISION. They are glad that she exercised her CHOICE.

   They are in deed (if not in word) pro-choice.

A thread-starter at FreeRepublic says this:

Mary, Unwed Mother of Jesus, Did Not Abort the Baby
Bible ^ | 1 AD | Bible

Posted on 09/01/2008 12:03:15 PM PDT by xzins

Mary, unwed mother, did not abort the baby Jesus.

She did the right thing.

Joseph had his concerns, but he came around when God spoke to his heart about what he really believed.

Sarah Palin says she's "proud".

What we see here is the intellectual bankruptcy of the "pro-life", anti-contraception, anti-sexual-freedom crowd: that they don't and probably never did care about the sex, that they don't care so much about marriage as long as you get that in place retroactively, that their morality begins and ends with creating babies. This is what the "culture of life" is about, where its endpoint goes: Teen pregnancy isn't a bad thing or something to be concerned about, it's essentially neutral. The only point at which teen pregnancy becomes a practical or moral problem is if you try to prevent it.

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by: mcc @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:15:40 PM CDT

She's not supposed to be proud

She's supposed to be deeply ashamed according to the religious right.

She can be proud that her daughter chose to keep her baby. But, she has to make it clear that she thinks her daughter committed a terrible sin. Palin won't do that. So, she's screwed.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:43:37 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Uhhh...

From your freeper quote above...

Mary, Unwed Mother of Jesus, Did Not Abort the Baby

Where in the Bible did it say that Mary chose not to about Jesus.  I don't remember that.  For that matter, where in the Bible does it talk about abortion.  I didn't know it was even an option back then.

I'm just sayin'.  

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by: Will St. James @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 17:41:45 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Oopps

abort

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by: Will St. James @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 17:42:51 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Technically...

The mythical Mary WAS married to fictional Joseph. They were betrothed when Mary became pregnant and were married by the time they traveled to Bethlehem.

These freepers don't read the book they claim to live by.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 18:00:13 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Betrothal vs marriage in Biblical times

Betrothal is a promise to marry a specific person, and for the woman, to remain a virgin. Betrothal was the major event, with legal significance. Breaking the betrothal had similar penalties to breaking a marriage. The marriage was a second and separate ritual. It was common enough for couples to start having sex before the marriage.

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by: NancyP @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:53:47 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Some of these comments are ridiculous

No offense, but I think questioning Palin's parenting is absurd and offensive.

My mother and father preached to me and educated me every day of my life "traditional" right-wing conservative family values. They were still good parents. Do I follow them now? No... I'm a raging queen.

I think using Bristol's pregnancy as a talking point in this campaign is a punch below the belt. There are PLENTY of other reasons why Palin is a horrible candidate for the Vice Presidency, to question her parenting or her daughter's pregnancy is unnecessary and uncalled for.

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by: wbenpc @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:18:45 PM CDT

Yes wbenpc, but

I see your point wbenpc, but what is happening is human nature.

When you put yourself on a pedestal, you make a lot of noise when you fall off.

You can't blame people for looking and pointing.

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by: Alvin McEwen @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:36:47 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Yes wbenpc, but

I see your point wbenpc, but what is happening is human nature.

When you put yourself on a pedestal, you make a lot of noise when you fall off.

You can't blame people for looking and pointing.

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by: Alvin McEwen @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:36:47 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

The right will punch Palin hard

It is easy for enlightened Democrats to say Palin's pregnant daughter is off limits. But, the religious right won't pull any punches.

Sarah Palin has just earned her scarlet letter.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:40:14 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Disagree

The Republicans presented her motherhood and her reproductive choices as qualifications for office when they announced her.  If they're going to keep trying to shove "pro-life hockey mom" down our throats, then that's what people are going to focus on and evaluate.

For god sakes, Palin is now busy bragging about the fact that her daughter is going to get married.  (Like a good christian.)  She is the one that is using her family as a political prop and putting them through this, not the media.  

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

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by: Sportin' Life @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 20:12:40 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

This is why marriage must be preserved

Because heterosexuals aren't responsible or smart enough to take care of themselves.  They think Jesus is gonna pull the dick out on time or if he doesn't it's gawds will that a baby is born.

It is absolutely true that these accidents don't happen to same-sex families, and yet we are denied the privileges of marriage by bigots that are more concerned with masking their own sins than they are interested in helping their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters have strong and healthy families.

Sarah Palin is a pig for thinking that it is her duty to restrict same sex couples from making the conscious decision to have a family.  Any politician that agrees with those restrictions or doesn't resist the bigotry is just as culpable - including the son of a woman that gave birth at the age of 18, like Senator Obama's momma.  

What makes my situation less worthy of respect and dignity than yours?  

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by: Patrick @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 16:57:21 PM CDT

such mixed reactions

On the one hand I'm having a good evil laugh at such a quick downfall, such a glaring revelation of hypocrisy. Certainly the possible results of lack of comprehensive sex ed seem to be demonstrated here.

But on the other hand, I know that both of my daughters had comprehensive sex ed. They had some at school. They had lots more at our UU church. And I provided much information and openness to talk, which they made a lot of use of.
Yet... each one had a pregnancy scare. So, basically they got lucky. Of course, having had one scare, each one became extremely diligent about avoiding a repeat experience.

This was important, because although I am pro-choice, neither of my daughters is, at least currently. I'm working on them to keep an open mind about it. So I could have found myself in a similar situation to Sarah Palin's. One more difference, though... I wouldn't have made a choice to put our family in a glaring spot-light, nor added to the distractions in my life, that she has made.  

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by: CathyG @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 17:31:03 PM CDT

Yet... each one had a pregnancy scare.

And yet you didn't consider either of them to have committed a terrible sin, either.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 18:02:26 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I don't care if it is below the belt.

I am saying it anyways.  ROSEANNE BARR for VP!!!!!!!!!  This woman couldn't be more trailer park if she was wearing an I'm with stupid t-shirt.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

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by: Kiera_Lynn @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 18:30:52 PM CDT

Imagine

if the Obamas' had a pregnant unmarried teen-age daughter?
The Right would be screaming HO!  HO! HO!

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by: hank @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 18:48:56 PM CDT

Are people really surprised she's putting her political aspirations ahead of her daughter?

I mean, come on, this woman was traveling while in her last trimester of carrying a baby she knew would have special needs.

She got on a plane and flew for HOURS after her water broke.

And she is busy traveling around the country instead of being available to care for her FIVE MONTH old, special needs baby!!

This is NOT a woman who puts her responsibilities as a mother anywhere NEAR her aspirations as a politician.

I keep hearing Republicans talk about what a good example she is of a working mother balancing home and career.  However, I only see her handling her career - not her home, and certainly not her children.

As a working mother who has made career sacrifices in order to be there for my daughters, I am appalled at Sarah Palin and the way her children clearly play second fiddle to her political career.

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by: Cousin J @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 18:49:39 PM CDT

And let's not forget the father...

He obviously didn't have a lot of time to spend at home while working the oil fields or working off his fishing boat.

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by: Will St. James @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 19:12:26 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Sarah had part-time jobs when Todd was away full-time

Husband Todd got a desk job when Sarah became Gov.

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by: NancyP @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:55:25 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Please

Please, give it a rest.  Obama took the right tone.  Don't we all remember when Edwards tried to use the fact that Cheney had a lesbian daughter.

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by: Swampfox @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 19:39:43 PM CDT

God is in the mix

Edwards kinda sorta brought Mary Cheney up and then quickly ran away from the flame he started.

Then he ran out and fooled around with a woman behind his wife's back.

If gawd is in the mix of hetero marriage as Obama claims then gawd must be pissed.  

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by: Patrick @ Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 20:12:29 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I am a failed LGBT parent.

  Not only are both of my daughters interested in boys, neither one of them are pregnant.  I know my biggest failure is that they are not lesbians.  I know I am Breaking many of the right wingers hearts.  And neither of them are kinky perverse sluts that should be into BDSM either, and I know this is depressing the christian right leaders because I failed to raise them this way. But what is really a crying shame and I have no idea how to change this, they both are virgins.  OHH the shame.

 Knowing how much I have failed at being a LGBT parent in the eyes of the christian right.

 I consider my self a success regarding this aspect of parenting, as well as many more.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 01:15:38 AM CDT

Obama is right - keep the kids out of it

However, I think that the MOTHER bears examination. She had better show that her husband is going to be a full time dad, and have pix of him changing diapers and the like. The Downs' child needs a full-time parent, so husband has to present himself as such. Raising a special needs child is different from raising an ordinary non-handicapped child - the Downs'/ otherwise mentally retarded child and autistic child need a lot more work early on. These aren't "drop off at day care" infants.

US conservative evangelical / fundamental Protestants and Catholics have the highest rate of teen pregnancies, compared with mainstream Protestants, Jews, atheists, adherents of other religions, probably due to the emphasis on abstinence and unwillingness of parents to ensure that their child knows how to protect themselves from unwanted sex, unwanted pregnancy, and disease.

Unfortunately, I have the notion that the pregnant daughter may end up doing most of the mothering of the mother's new baby.

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by: NancyP @ Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 11:48:53 AM CDT