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John McCain: the Washington Blade interview

by: Pam Spaulding

Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 14:15:00 PM EDT


UPDATE: The LCRs are already pimping the interview as proof we're just wrong about McCain. See that below the fold, as well as responses by Stonewall Dems and HRC.
Surf over, read and decide whether this interview with John McCain at the Washington Blade (by William Kapfer). It is, as far as we know, the first time a GOP presidential candidate has agreed to answer questions from a national LGBT publication. This was a written interview submitted to the McCain campaign for a response, so you know that these answers have gone through the spin cycle multiple times.

That out of the way, is there anything that represents a significant change from his rock-solid, anti-gay public policy positions? Not really.

* He said that the discriminatory position of the Boy Scouts, supported in a Supreme Court ruling, is a matter for the organization to decide;
* Marriage should be a matter left to the states, but he supports his home state's marriage amendment (as well as measures in CA and FL) that would bar gay and lesbian couples from marrying.
* McCain indirectly states his opposition to the right of gays and lesbians to adopt ("I believe a child is best raised by a mother and father."), and leaves it as a matter for the states to decide.
* He reiterates his opposition to the repeal of DOMA, and would consider a federal marriage amendment "as long as no state is forced to adopt some other state's standard."
* He gives props to the LCR, of course, saying he's "always willing to listen to all viewpoints," and that he appreciates the "Log Cabin's effort to make the GOP more inclusive."

On the latter question, it would have been interesting to follow up that one with questions about his relationshipt to conservative evangelicals in his party and what he feels he owes to that base of voters in the GOP.

There was a bit of news made. Read it below the fold.

Pam Spaulding :: John McCain: the Washington Blade interview
McCain stated that he supports a review of DADT (though he personally does not want it repealed).
McCain: I promise to give full consideration to any legislation that reaches my desk. On "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," I'm going to defer to our military commanders. So far they have told me it's working. I'm willing to have the policy reviewed to make sure that's the case, but at the end of the day, I'm going to rely on the commanders who will be impacted by a change in the law.
He also doesn't support, but doesn't outright close the door to ENDA, punting with this statement, since the cat's out of the bag that he has no problem hiring openly gay staff.
Gay and lesbian people should not face discrimination in the workplace. I've always practiced that in my hiring. I select the best people, regardless of their sexual orientation. I support the concept of non-discrimination in hiring for gay and lesbian people.

However, we need to make sure legislation doesn't lead to a flood of frivolous lawsuits or infringe on religious institutions. What I can say now is I will give careful consideration to any legislation that reaches my desk, and confer with Congress before making decisions.

He also punts on this one:
Blade: Do you foresee a day when the federal government will recognize civil unions or domestic partnerships performed by states?

McCain: I honestly don't know.

What this interview does solidify is McCain's reputation as a professional anti-gay, private homosexualist. He readily admits to admiring out gay friends and public figures, Yet every single position he supports reflects the continuation or institutionalization of discrimination against LGBTs, including those friends.
I have known former Congressman Jim Kolbe for 25 years. We first ran for Congress in Arizona the same year - in 1982. We served together starting in 1985. He's a great American who spent two decades serving his country in Congress. Like me, he also served in Vietnam so we have a special kinship. When he came out in 1996, there was no question that I would stand by him. He's a friend and a patriot and has been an admirable public servant, and a good example of why someone's sexuality should not be relevant in public life.

I have also known former Tempe Mayor [Neil] Giuliano for many years. He headed Mayors for McCain in our 2000 campaign. I stood by him when there was an effort to recall him in 2001, led by people who objected to him being an openly gay public official. He was a hard-working public servant and someone I have great respect for.

If one's orientation or sexuality should not be relevant in public life, then what is the need for discrimination based on it? It's the conundrum that vexes this party, and McCain simply does not know how to bridge it, given the fear of retribution by the base. Quite frankly, even the nods to tolerance in this interview are likely to give fundies agita, since they don't trust him either.

Click over for the rest.

UPDATE: As promised, the LCR reaction to the interview. The title of the LCR release -- "Sen. John McCain Outlines Inclusive Vision for Country in Interview with LGBT Newspaper"

"This is a great day for everyone who cares about basic fairness for gay and lesbian Americans," said Log Cabin President Patrick Sammon.  "Sen. McCain's outreach to gay and lesbian voters is unprecedented from a GOP presidential candidate.  That's why Log Cabin was proud to endorse him.  We know his inclusive vision for America will draw strong support from LGBT voters."

"The gay left has been trying to define John McCain as another George W. Bush on gay issues. His words in this interview further undermine that ridiculous argument," said Sammon.

Reaction from Stonewall Dems:
"John McCain continues to artfully illustrate why we need a pro-equality President like Barack Obama in the White House.  Throughout his answers to the Washington Blade, Senator McCain uses flowery code words easily accepted by the anti-equality activists which continue to control his campaign and the Republican Party.  John McCain is opposed to the equal enforcement of hate crimes legislation, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, the repeal of the detrimental "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and he continues to support discriminatory ballot measures which target our families in Arizona, California and Florida.  John McCain has said that he hopes 'gay and lesbian Americans will give full consideration' to supporting his campaign.  We have and we don't.  That is why the majority of our community - and the majority of Americans - continue to support the Obama/Biden ticket."

- Jon Hoadley, Executive Director

HRC doesn't hold back either:
"We congratulate the Washington Blade on securing a written response from Senator McCain.  Unfortunately, John McCain's answers to those well written questions do nothing but insult the intelligence of the LGBT community. Senator McCain's double speak fools no one.  At the end of the day, his policies haven't changed at all.

It's interesting that John McCain thinks that being civil is going to win us over, but it doesn't make up for the fact that he is against every single policy that would protect and promote equality for the LGBT community.

It's 2008, 'some of my best friends are gay' doesn't work anymore.  Sorry, we've already had one 'compassionate conservative' in the White House for eight years, we aren't interested in another."

To read a full report on Senator McCain's stances on issues of importance to the LGBT community, please visit:  www.hrc.org/mccain

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Anything about Make Buse?
Or is that asking too much.

It's interesting that mention of Mark Buse was MIA
Buse, an openly gay man in a senior position in McCainworld, surely is a relevant topic, particularly because of the hypocrisy -- and McCain's now less-than-hardline position on ENDA. Certainly there will be a homobigot eruption.

But to the Log Cabinette KAPOS who run the "Blade"--
bringing that up would be "just too personal" and "part of the politics of self-destruction." Cha-Cha-Cha.

Uhh
Blade: What are your views regarding the Defense of Marriage Act? Do you think DOMA devalues the relationships of gay citizens?

McCain: As a Republican, I am a strong advocate for federalism. States should be able to decide as many issues as possible. That's certainly the case on the definition of marriage. My home state of Arizona shouldn't be compelled to recognize a marriage from California or Massachusetts. Those states can decide that issue by themselves.

Of course the DOMA isn't just about preventing Arizona from having to recognize a marriage from California or Massachusetts, it also prevents the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from recognizing a marriage from California or Massachusetts. So apparently "federalism" means rewarding some states and punishing others... Of course they kind of specifically bring that question up later:

Blade: Do you foresee a day when the federal government will recognize civil unions or domestic partnerships performed by states?

McCain: I honestly don't know.

LEADERSHIP


And yet...
...I don't see him pushing to allow states to choose among heterosexual marriages when deciding whether Article 4 actually applies.  Or how about divorces, or adoptions?

[ Parent ]
FORGET ALL THIS GARBAGE...forget ALL ABOUT MC CAIN/Palin...LISTEN TO BILL CLINTON

Go to CSpan and LISTEN TO BILL CLINTON' speech for OBAMA...forget about whoever his opponent is (BC never uses name even)...

He says we need to fix things by GROWING ECONOMY FROM BOTTOM UP...not wait for trickle down.

THE Truth is Presidents do try to do the job they say they will when elected:

OBAMA says he will: Rebuild the American Dream

                            Repair the Financial System

                            Restore American leadership in the world.

(PS...since he will be busy rebuilding America... HIS VP's job will be to go out

and travel the world and rebuild our image abroad...do you want Biden doing that or

Palin?? ...and can't you just imagine how crotchety ..jump on it ..I'll fix it myself McCain will handle things.!)

BC is on it...and I expect HC to get on it too...perhaps just after the 'debate' tomorrow..and then we can hear what a really good woman politician thinks.

Enjoy... I surely did...

However, if anyone can figure out why BC's Mama 'always said

"this is no hill for a steffer???" let me know please...

I did get the one about the turtle on the fence post!

 



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I have known former Congressman Jim Kolbe for 25 years....
"Some of my best friends are gay!"

"Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain" -- Iowa state motto

John McCain is such a good friend to gay veterans...
...that he'll be perfectly happy to leave those on active duty serving and dying in silence and fear in Iraq for the next 100 years.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

[ Parent ]
Ugh!
Interviews like this aggravate me to no end!  He's asked a specific question about LGBT policy, and gives a complete non-answer like "Oh, I respect and admire gay Americans and don't believe in discrimination."  Same with that Palin interview.  And the interviewer won't make them give clear, specific answers.  I don't give a damn if he or Palin has gay friends, or whether they even like gay people.  If he really wants gay people to consider voting for him, he needs to be clear and honest about where he stands on the issues and stop with these idiotic platitudes that we can all see right through anyway.

he doesn't want gay people voting for him,
he wants moderates to not see him as totally hateful so that they feel ok voting for him.  although he'll take our votes of course if he can get them, there are a lot more moderate hetero votes than queers, to the calculus is clear.

Lurleen on Twitter

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adendum
i think that this is why he's not campaigning loudly for the anti-equality amendments like repubs have in years past.  the finger in the wind says that the mean 'n nasty approach won't work this time.  have to hide your bigotry in soft, king jamesian peotry.

Lurleen on Twitter

[ Parent ]
Huh?
McCain "would consider a federal marriage amendment "as long as no state is forced to adopt some other state's standard." "

That's what a federal amendment is. It overrides state law - by definition.

McCain's mouth is moving, trying to deliver two messages to two audiences, and as a result, he speaks nonsense.


first blush
the notion of a GOP presidental candidate doing a back-and-forth with the gay press is a big deal and represent progress.  

of course what he says on the other hand.......

find me over at bluejersey.com


This is not progress, this is a sham.
  Progress would be McCain actually admitting he is reconsidering his views of LGBT people.  This is out and out needing the LCRs to go and vote on Nov. 4 and nothing more.

 You will not hear the religious right screaming McCain is reaching out to the Homosexual Agenda, they know they need every vote for McCain they can get.

 Palin energized the religious right vote so bringing out the gay boogie man isn't going to bring anymore to the poles for McCain, it would cost him the LCR vote, and they know it.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
We are not amused
Just how dumb does he think we and our allies are?!

Fetch my pearls, I need to clutch them!

Ridiculous?
"The gay left has been trying to define John McCain as another George W. Bush on gay issues. His words in this interview further undermine that ridiculous argument," said Sammon.

If I remember right Patrick, Duhbya sounded all warm and fuzzy too before the 2000 election.  But, soon after, the Religious Reich was demanding payment for services rendered.  My guess is, they'd expect the same thing if McCain were to be elected (God forbid) and we'd consistently hear vows to veto ENDA, hate crimes, etc., coming from a McCain White House.

Ridiculous Patrick is falling for the warm and fuzzy speak a second time.  


the difference between mcCain and the rest of the Repig party
McCain never actually commited a queer HATE CRIME...he just drove the get away car.

Kicking McCain in the rubber parts, is just the first step to unraveling the entire infestation of faith-based hateful f*cktards who slipped into the two Party system.
There will be years of RNC powerless and wandering in the wilderness, one faction blaming the other two, in a navel gazing spectacle that will be truely puke worthy.

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


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