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Wrap up on the 'State of the Movement' panel

by: Pam Spaulding

Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 00:00:00 AM EST


[UPDATE: Metro Weekly's coverage is here.]

I was in DC last night for a panel discussion on the State of the Movement, moderated by Sean Bugg of Metro Weekly. It was held in the Human Rights Campaign community room; according to Sean about 100 folks came to the gathering.

On the panel: Chris Barron of the Log Cabin Republicans; Herndon Davis of the National Black Justice Coalition; Matt Foreman, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force; Mara Keisling of National Center for Transgender Equality; John Marble, of National Stonewall Democrats;  C. Dixon Osburn, from Servicemembers Legal Defense Network; Joe Solmonese, HRC; and yours truly.

The overall impressions I came away with are after the flip...

Pam Spaulding :: Wrap up on the 'State of the Movement' panel
* The mainstream advocacy organizations haven't figured out blogs, and by and large are threatened by them. It's because 1) the "message" from the community cannot be controlled; 2) they are perceived by mainstream organization as "a distraction" from doing business as usual. Sorry, Joe, we're not going away, so you're going to have to try a different way to approach voices out there that are commisserating and engaging in activism in cyberspace as well as the non-virtual grassroots -- you know, actual LGBT folks living in the real world out there, which brings me to...

* There's still a clear disconnect between mainstream LGBT organizations (and metro gay folks). They are located in urban islands of almost-equality, and the rest of us are living in the Red State war zones of amendments, anti-gay legislation and incessant efforts by the religious fringe to take away rights already won (see Michigan). Folks at the ground level deserve and need our help because both political parties have been allowed to endorse the position that the civil rights of a minority of citizens should put to a vote at the ballot box.

I mentioned the urban/non-urban divide during the panel, and Chris Barron concurred that we can't hang our brothers and sisters in the hinterlands out to dry. He hails from tiny Goldsboro, NC, so knew exactly what I was talking about. [BTW, Chris also good-naturedly ribbed me after the panel for my well-known general criticism of the LCRs, but just wanted me to know as long as I run a flattering pic of him, he's ok with that. ]

* I didn't come away with any idea of how our advocacy organizations plan to hold any of the top-tier 2008  candidates accountable for articulating clear public positions on specific equality issues (adoption, immigration rights, foster parenting, discrimination in housing, etc.), particularly civil unions. That goes for Dems and Republicans. No advocacy organization worth a dime should let "I support civil unions" to be a complete answer to the question of what civil rights gays and lesbians are entitled to. Because of inattention and tacit consent to put rights on the ballot, we've got a country with a confusing patchwork of negative laws in place that will take year to undol. A 2007 candidate must be on the record regarding their support, or lack thereof, for a repeal or amendment of DOMA, since it has direct impact on the portability of rights conveyed with CUs.

* There's not a clear agreement on how to marshal support for the agenda in terms of LGBT-related legislation before this Congress. There was plenty of discussion of the potential for passage of fed hate crimes legislation and ENDA, and to a lesser extent, DADT. I personally think that the repeal of DADT is possible, certainly more likely when you have the military under such stress to retain and recruit. I am concerned about ENDA -- will the movement toss the "T"s under the bus to get it passed, or stand firm for protections for our transgender brothers and sisters? I didn't come away with a satisfactory answer.

The right wing is going to drag out all sorts of stupidity about separate bathrooms and other BS. What are the advocacy organizations planning to do to counter this aside from saying the corporate world has handled LGBT anti-discrimination protections without missing a beat (or a hit to the bottom line)?  We all know that true, and we'll hear from them when/if there are hearings, but we need well-developed talking points for each and every unhinged e-blast attack that we know is coming. the religious right knows how to use the Internet to smear and spread fear and using the Internet is essential for a counterattack.

Fighting the well-organized, well-funded hate machine in 2007 is more than bringing sympathetic corporate voices to a hearing, or issuing a carefully vetted press release hours after the horse is out of the barn on a hot issue or attack. For instance, take this latest email blast from the American Family Association on the hate crimes bill (HR254).

Here is a partial list of what homosexual activists are trying to force on every American. While HR 254 will not, in and of itself, accomplish these goals, it will open the door to such regulations. Once the elephant gets its trunk under the tent, the way is open for the elephant to move inside and do whatever he wants.

- Preaching that homosexuality is a sin from the pulpit will result in the preacher being charged with "hate speech."
- Churches will have their tax-exempt status revoked if they oppose homosexuality.
- Homosexual marriage will be legalized and recognized in all states.
- Polygamy will be legalized.
- Landlords will be forced to rent to homosexuals.
- Scouts, and all non-profit organizations, will be required to hire homosexuals as leaders.
- Biblical language used to define homosexuality will be considered "hate speech." City officials have already had a billboard removed in Long Island, NY, because it was classified as "hate speech." The billboard read: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13)
- Employees will not be allowed to say anything negative about homosexuality in their workplaces.
- Classes promoting the homosexual lifestyle will be included in school curricula beginning with the lower grades.
- Employers will be forced to hire homosexuals.
- Adoption by homosexuals will be legalized in every state.

This drivel goes on and on, and doesn't get challenged quickly and directly. It may be taking the high road for our advocacy organizations to ignore the Wildmon gang, but their minions know how to flood Congressional offices with faxes and emails like it's a science. This isn't child's play. We need to take these organizations out by destroying their ability to frame an issue up front. Our large advocacy organizations are always seemingly in reactive mode even though the professional "Christian" victim lobby uses the same playbook every time. It's getting less effective, but it's due mostly to their own hypocrisy and unhinged rhetoric derailing them, rather than our organizations making the case that these extremists are attacking our  fundamental freedoms, and they aren't stopping with the queer folks. 

* Mara Keisling of National Center for Transgender Equality noted the issues that are common to the lesbian and gay struggle for equality and those that are parallel but T specific, such as adoption and parental rights. As we know, in Utah a recent court ruling denies visitation rights to a non-biolological parent. In this country a transgender biological parent can lose custody of their biological child when a relationship goes sour. We've got a long way to go.

It looks like some other bloggers who attended have weighed in on the panel, so I'll share a little link love and offer snippets:

Jimbo:

There was a remarkable amount of time spent discussing blogs and other new media forms and how they can benefit organizations, and their efficacy outside of organizations.

- Herndon Davis from the National Black Justice Coalition seemed to have the best strategies offered for their constituent community both through smart use of new media and for reaching to the community through churches.

- Several speakers from the audience felt that the legal strategies of the major organizations were 10 years ahead of the movement's progress. Again, let me say that the major organizations are institutionalized beyond their ability to make effective change, and changes in how people think, the awareness of what our problems are, and knowing why we are asking for these rights are not well-enough known by the general public and those who would align with the KKKrazy Konservative Kristians. Once they know enough, fairness will prevail in their minds, but until then they just don't understand what we're bitching about.

The Scientist's View had quite a bit to say (and multiple posts):
Dear Joe Solmonese deigned to sit on the panel tonight. And he was pedantic. His whole spiel could be embodied in this summation:
"You just don't understand how things work."

Now having been in academics for ages, I have run across this sort a number of times. The professor, giving you some weary look as you describe your idea, shoots it down passively. They don't explain their disagreement with your idea because "it is just wrong". No further explanation given nor needed. The professor doesn't have time to go into explaining the basics of the err of your ways. Or, what is generally more accurate, they won't lower themselves to argue with an inferior. And why should they? You, the little peon, just don't understand but Joe does.

Joe is a political animal. As the head of HRC, he doesn't have time to explain why grass-roots approaches are so slow, sloppy and ineffective. He can just tell you that it is, he'll then do a stage voice sigh, and pick at some imaginary lint on his Gucci sleeve. Condescension dripped from his every pronouncement.

To Joe, low level politics are passe. Blogs are distracting (quote). Local efforts are notable, not as a means but soley as a humble example, but ultimately, small potatoes. The only thing that matters is the House and the Senate. 535 people are his audience. The rest of us, the unwashed gay masses, are just sheep and we ought to just write our checks and shut the fuck up. He will decide what we need and our job is to genuflect towards the onerous burden that he has in spending our contributions.

Yipes. OK. That was harsh. Was the criticism, at its core, unfair? Hmmmm...I'll have to think on that one...well...no. I'd probably spin it a little differently, though. I think that HRC and organizations of that size and scope (gay or not), are not useful if we are looking for them to be activists, on the front line, aggressively pushing for reframing of our issues, or fighting the right wing head-on. I think that they have mainstreamed themselves into a corner -- HRC exists to have access to power, it sees that (I think wrongly), by cleaving to the Democratic Party, disregarding that a "D" next to your name doesn't mean pro-equality -- they simply want a Dem majority to stop the bleeding of years of GOP rule.

They have chosen to turn a blind eye to the fact that a whole lot of bible belt Dems who were elected in this cycle are social conservatives -- and aren't going to be a friend of the LGBT community. The bottom line example of what doesn't work for me -- endorsing Joe Lieberman over Ned Lamont in the CT primary. Lamont was clearly the more pro-gay candidate, but HRC went with the power of incumbency over principle -- that was the signal that the advocacy shark had been jumped.

Is this OK? Perhaps from some vantage points (if you're talking about dealing with Capitol Hill), it makes sense to mainstream your organization, but when you have an abandonment of core priniciples of advocacy, an organization's mission has changed. We simply need to know what the movement's hierarchy and mission is, and act/react accordingly.  That may mean continuing to give to national organizations, or choosing to withhold support and give to local equality organizations where the boots are on the ground.

Back to The Scientist's View, with following up on the observation about gay urbanites and advocacy organizations being out of touch with life as it exists for LGBT folks in the hinterlands.

Let's go to Pam's pad with Joe, drive 30 miles to the north and east along I-85 to Henderson, NC. Its a unremarkable town near Kerr Lake and deep in the red zone. Let's have Joe walk with us to a local event and he can start with his "You just don't get it" routine. Experiment will end with a lot of hard stares and mummering - no success there. Joe might as well be a creature from another planet. Middle America can't even wrap their heads around gay marriage -its way ahead of our (read: gay) political and legal strategies and it is light-years ahead of what "fairness" means to Middle America.

Hint: Not terribly effective. That is why the homos got their asses kicked. Hard. And several panelists talked of the past 10-15 years as wandering in the gay desert. Our dear leaders clearly thought that, in these past 10-15 years, they could get the Senate and the House to legislate fairness and tolerance. WAKE UP.

***

I'm sure that I'm missing something critical, but  here are some of the folks in the audience for the panel: Columnist Deb Price, blogger Mike Rogers, Lane Hudson and quite a few DC activists. I had the pleasure of meeting transgender activist Midge Potts, Missouri's first openly transgender political candidate, who ran for Congress to unseat Roy Blunt (to represent the state's 7th District). Midge, a veteran of Operation Desert Shield, traveled through large towns and small, and said that meeting one-on-one with individual people during the campaign made fears and misconceptions about TGs melt away. The lesson is that personal interaction and coming out, in the end, is what most affects change.

All in all, I was glad to be there, and many thanks to Sean Bugg and Metro Weekly for making it possible for me to participate. As the only blogger (and only person outside of the "gay advocacy industrial complex" on the panel, it was certainly an eye-opening experience regarding how things work in DC, and it gave me insight and confirmation that we need to mix it up a little to achieve better results on the ground.

The state of the movement would be a bit better off if we actually had a real Homosexual Agenda to pass out to you other than the ones folks here make up or the ones the right wing hacks create and distribute from their hate spin machines.

Whew. I know I'm probably forgetting something, or some idea rattling up in the noggin, but I'm quite tired and off to bed.

***

I'll just end on a traveling celebrity sighting note. I was standing in the security line at Reagan National Airport, and a few rows away from hero for equality for all, Julian Bond!

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the utility of HRC
Interesting to hear about the panel in DC. I'm not really surprised by the comments from the ED of HRC.

What's funny is that today HRC (or, more accurately, their paid phone solicitation firm) called me for the first time in  a few years, asking for money.

Again, I declined to make donation to the organization, which I have ceased making financial contributions to ever since they endorsed Al D'Amato over Chuck Shumer in 1996. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. It doesn't look like they have learned much in the intervening years.

I wonder how many other politically engaged LGBT activists are out there who refuse to give money to HRC?


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The ED of HRC - does that stand for Electile Dysfunction?


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This is a great post, Pam. . .
and you raise so many important questions and issues that are on my mind constantly about the effectiveness of these organizations.

I remember when Midge Potts was running in the primary over in southwest Missouri - we had an email exchange about her campaign, which was bare-bones and virtually dependent on her own courage and willingness to meet people. I was more than impressed by her courage and grace at the time, and contacted the Missouri Log Cabin Republicans about giving her more support. They refused. If I remember correctly, the reason was some ridiculous gibberish about how they felt that transgendered people were still considered some sort of mental illness (as if being a religious nutcase isn't?) - but I'd love to see someone explore that awful position. Maybe Autumn can shed some light and research on this matter, but it seems to me that Midge would have done better if the LCRs had been more supportive - if I recall correctly, the Libertarians liked her positions, but the Log Cabinnettes were wrapped up in their own little politically correct nonsense.

As for the rest of these organizations, why in the hell are they so uncertain about the blogs? Are they afraid that if they read your posts and our comments that they might get an earful about what real gay people experience at many different locations all over the country? I've got some news for HRC - I sure as hell get a lot more solicitation mail from THEM than they will obviously ever be willing to receive from ME. . .and when the shit hits the fan in my locality, it is up to my own ingenuity to defend our whole community without a fucking peep from a national organization.

It continues to amaze me that these clowns have mainstreamed themselves so much that they can't relate to the concerns or the issues as they evolve in the places we live. Here in the hinterlands, where the media discusses the "homosexual agenda" without any voices from the gay community, our national organizations seem to think that ignoring the people who live here is effective. Well, I've got a Democratic congressman who regularly hedges on support for ENDA and hate crimes and DOMA - Republican state legislators who memorize the Right's talking points and struggle to create an individual thought in their pea-brains, and a well-organized cabal of wingnut churches that cries fear-and-smear at every movement.

While I have stood up and fought (just like the rest of us) for marriage equality, someone needs to remind these organizations that we were all dragged into this culture war big time when the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ordered marriage in that state. And while I'm more than supportive of that decision, it left all the rest of us in every backwoods town and region of this nation vulnerable to the vicious and vile attacks by Right wing extremists - and more than one of us has been victimized in multiple ways due to the hysteria fed unchecked by the Religious crazies and void of any real response from our own organizations.

In some ways this experience has been positive - perhaps from the standpoint that we get to see the raw nerves and the blatant bigotry exhibited openly by the Right. But on the other hand, those of us who live in more rural areas were already aware of those positions and that rhetoric - we heard it nearly every day and now have to endure it daily on the radio talk shows and in the unhinged attacks on the local newspaper editorial pages. And whether we respect it or not, many gay people in rural areas have a tradition of maintaining a low profile - often that is the way they gain their own level of acceptance in their community, and there are positive stories of how same-sex couples are treated respectfully and with dignity in some rural areas.

But the actions after the Massachusetts Judicial Court's decision also stripped that veneer of relative calm from the interrelationships of people in those areas. Gays living in Rhea County, for example, had to deal with a fucking county board who wanted a resolution banning us from LIVING in the area. In my university town in rural southern Illinois, the local columnist railed against $15k in state funds being designated for a small LGBT center on campus. There was nothing in place to respond to that beyond the individual efforts of people like me (and those others who post and communt on these blogs) who step up to the plate without anyone watching our backs.

Time and time again, it hasn't been heterosexual Joe Solmonese who has to live in a small town while all the neighbors slap on bumper stickers from the 700 Club on their pickup trucks. It ain't Joe who has to overhear conversations in the supermarket, in a restaurant, on a street corner, from self-righteous bigots looking for their latest social target. And it isn't Joe who has to fight the little daily battles of dealing with the suddenly discovered bigot "faith" of landlords who don't want to rent to gay tenants, local legislators who use gays as a whipping post, or the local media attacking us as the scapegoat for everything from higher electric rates to global warming. Joe doesn't have to open his door when some local "religious" spokesmodel for the little white baby Jesus comes to the door - and discovering that you are one of the sinful gays - tries to condemn you or speak in tongues on your own property.

That courage and that dedication to defending ourselves as individual American citizens has fallen upon us. And while it isn't like we haven't had to deal with that to some degree all of our lives, it has become far more pervasive in our experience since that Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision thrust these issues to the forefront of our tabloid heterosexually-dominated media. We know there are more incidents of violence against members of our community in places all over the country. We know that there is more resistance to even mentioning our existence in schools. We know there are more threats, more victimization, more demonization, more manipulative lies issued every day. And every one of us who face this with our neighbors, our colleagues, our "friends," our local churches, our media, are the ones on the front lines every goddamned day.

Few of us have ever complained when the national organizations decide on an agenda which often puts the rest of us on the line for more attacks and harassment. Instead, we've generally stood up the best we can, without support, without resources, without anything more than our own ability to communicate the reality of our lives, and these organizations owe us some goddamned credit and some credence for that effort. In those red states where constitutional amendments were passed, gay citizens had to endure some of the most humiliating and embarassing treatment FROM OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS as they gave speeches before campaigns and in the halls of our legislatures. In many cases, there were no local gay newspapers to urge us on, few gay bars to gather and organize, little recognition from larger organizations - and we had to deal with the localized fear of our own community that exposure might bring both social ostracization and violence upon our own bodies and property.

When gay organizations are so willing to cast all of us into that position, they should be just as willing to address and assist us in taking courageous stands. Instead, their idea of "grass-roots" organizing is to (maybe) drop in, dictate what the agenda is, tell us how to "organize" to meet their goals, and not address the local issues which directly affect our own lives. And it is simply not enough to tell every gay community member to move to the city ghettos if we want a more insulated life - that line itself is insulting to those who love the idea of choosing where we want to live. But we also have the right to expect our dignity and our lives to be upheld just as much as those living in those insulated urban environments - and recognized for the contributions we make in educating and taking a stand for our lives every single day.

What that means is that the Log Cabinnettes need to get beyond their problems with the transgendered population, the HRC needs to recognize that people who live in my locality are worth more than just a place to solicit more money, and that they make a real grass-roots effort to understand that we ain't gonna get much of anything without reaching into every area of this country and making an effective change. And that change isn't going to gain much cooperation by dictating the 'agenda" to US - it is going to come about recognizing the fight we help engage in and understanding our own investment in securing these protections.

There is absolutely no excuse that, by this time in the game, we don't have organized efforts to respond to the kinds of vicious attacks we receive in every county of this nation. No member of our community should be felt to be left isolated and all alone anywhere in this nation they live - and their battle IS our battle on every level and in every situation.


A GREAT ONE-TWO PUNCH
A great post followed by a great response.

I didn't realize that HRC was being run by a straight man. Now I certainly won't renew my membership as they've mailed me twice in a month. I'll put the money towards my cable bill so I don't have to go out into that cruel cruel world beyond my walls.


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Welcome, neighbor!
presumably you are near SIUC or SIUE  - I don't know SIUC, but visit SIUE for theater performances and other events occasionally. At least your side of the river has a non-discrimination law. MO is primitive!

Let me tell you about MO LCR. It is about the most dysfunctional organization known, and attendance at (infrequent) meetings is usually in the single digits. The well-off A-gay Republican men either don't know about it or don't care. The former leader of MO LCR basically wanted to use it to help in a never-accomplished bid for running for a Congressional district (Gephardt's (D) old district, now Carnahan (D)) - a laughable ambition for a recent college grad with difficulty playing well with others. Midge didn't miss much. And I must say, LCR is definitely for the rights of white male "straight-looking, straight-acting" gays, and for none other - very few (white, natch) women members nationwide.

Some heavily political Dem lgb types also lose their 'nads about T inclusion, which of course requires some additional work and some delay - and some out Ts with presence, such as Midge Potts, to meet and greet legislators. Unfortunately, the Ts are as a group laboring under more pressure to be closeted, and are more busy surviving and saving money for medical care, than gays. This hampers crucially needed constituent lobbying efforts, aka "desensitization of panicky legislators".

I think NGLTF is the best of the lot when it comes to the fly-over states. They hosted their 2004 and 2006 national confs in St. Louis and Kansas City MO, they give sizable grants (50-100K) to statewide lgbt rights organizations, and I get the strong impression (from attending those meetings in STL and KCMO) that they are firmly for T-inclusive ENDA.


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conflating MA decision w/lgbt orgs
Kevin, it sounds like you are somehow holding the HRC-type orgs responsible for the MA-SJC decision and it's aftermath.  I just don't see the connection.  HRC didn't call the SJC and order this decision.  I also question HRC's judgement regarding which pols they back (Lieberman? puleeze!) etc, but you know, history happens.  Progress is not easy on anyone, even people in MA.  Yes, people in the red states bear the worst brunt of it, but did you prefer to be closeted forever, one of those precious few silent gay couples that didn;t get murdered (=accepted?) and without a sliver of civil rights?  There was huge blowback during the 50s and 60s push for civil rights.  Would you have said then, look, let's just keep entering the coffee shop from the back door because my cousin got beat up last night?

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I'm not holding them responsible for the SJC decision
but I do hold them responsible for not fully adjusting to the situation that decision created all over this country,nor even admitting they weren't ready to handle it at a grass-roots level.

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fair enough
the lawsuit in MA was brought by Gay & Lesbian Advocates and Defenders.  ANy info on much they did or didn;t strategize with the national orgs?  i suspect either way, that no one anticipated the advent of karl rove.

Lurleen on Twitter

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Actually, the AFA is right on all except #1 and #2 and polygamy.
We don't care about religious speech, the items covered in #1 and #2 (except for direct death threats and conspiracy to murder). Polygamy is unlikely to pass the heterosexual majority anytime soon. Women are opposed, men don't need formalities but do it anyway.

We do care about equal public accomodations, employment non-discrimination, family rights, no-bullying policies in schools,etc.

And as for "employers forbidding anti-homosexual speech in the workplace" - well, dudes, that's already starting to happen with the largest corporations, who won't tolerate disruptive assholes getting in the way of office efficiency.


talking point 1
Politicians of every stripe use the same line:
V1:  "I believe in treating everyone fairly, but...I don't support [name LGBT equality measure here]."
V2:  "Everyone deserves tights, but...I'm just not there yet on [name LGBT equality measure here]."

Absolutely no pol should ever be allowed to continue after this insult to logic and intelligence.  You cannot say "everyone...BUT" and keep talking as if you're a fair, unbigoted person with a spine.

We need to have "our" folks who score interviews not let the pols blather on one word beyond this idiocy.  Make them face their bigotry honestly.

Lurleen on Twitter


Joe Solmonese...
...is not heterosexual. He's a very gay man.

However...

Why should his -- or anyone's -- sexuality reflect on whether or not one contributes to an organization that endeavors to support our rights?

Isn't that the same sort of intolerance we're trying to end?


really understanding the issue
gm5075, I'd like to say that it shouldn;t matter, but to be honest I know very few straight people that truly understand the lgbt plight.  Any person, lgbt or hetero who does, fine with me if they work at hrc or wherever.  But my unfortunate experience with so many (not all) straight people is that they don't listen, and they don't believe gay people when they hear x, y or z.  has the naacp ever had a non-black prez?  will the so. baptist convention ever put a lutheran in charge?  there is just something about living an lgbt life that gives one an insight (and despiration) that no straight person can match.

Lurleen on Twitter

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I agree with Lurleen
I don't know the source, but there is an old saying that posits "You can't know a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes." (It works with either gender so please don't be offended by my pronouns).

I think that this is the reason for the disagreement between DarkRose and I yesterday. Never being a white gay man she doesn't see things from my point of view. Never being a black lesbian I don't fully appreciate the challenges her life has presented her. That's why we can discuss and not take our disagreements personally.

I think it's only natural. Experiencing discrimination is only an abstract until it has actually happened to you and I truly believe if you haven't suffered that discrimination (as most LCRs haven't) you may empathize but you simply JUST DON'T KNOW. And that goes for HRC or Concerned Women Of America.


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Joe Solmonese...
is gay.

Let me repeat: the ex. director (ED) of HRC is GAY.


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Gray is right - my bad
For some reason, I thought I had read somewhere when he was appointed that he was straight - it might have been another organization.

On the other hand, yes sexual/relationship orientation does matter, especially in terms of how we are covered in the media. You have a straight reporter doing stories about our rights, a straight editor doing the agendasetting of what is important, and straight columnists engaging in the straight discussion of our rights. In very few places (Deb Price excluded) do we have or read or hear the voices of our own people in the media "discussion."


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Gay or straight?
My point is this: our group is too small. We can't move the needle on our own. There just aren't enough GLBT people in America to do that. Yes, we need GLBT reporters and supporters. But we also need our straight allies. That's the only way we will achieve the scale necessary in terms of lobbying, voting and dollars to win the rights we deserve.

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yes, we need allies
but they need not be the key decision makers.  i thought that was what you meant.  if you're talking about assisting in strategizing, or making gotv calls, or getting signatures on petitions, or talking to groups of people about civil rights or organizing volunteers - absolutely - all comers welcome. 

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True
We do need straight allies.  Hell, I'm one of the people on here always bitching about needing MORE outside support.  Kind of Lurleen says, we need them there to spread the information and issues out to the people we can't reach (yep, because of our numbers).  Unlike the fundamentalists who have a ready-made institution (i.e. church) with which to spread their information and issues, and they are a minority as well, we don't have that.  Somehow getting drunk at the local gay club on a Sat. night doesn't promote political activism.  Imagine that!  But we can ask our straight allies to listen then tell others on our behalf.  Also, unlike the fundamentalists, we don't have the financial and media network to spread our message far and wide.  HRC and their ilk are spending their money on bigger and better black tie dinners instead of buying airtime to fight legal and civil rights battles out in the middle of Red America.  I saw the ads that were put in major newspapers around the U.S. around the time of the last FMA push, but I doubt there were many farmers in Iowa reading the NY Times so they had no idea what was happening.

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Thank you, Pam
For reposting this at TQF

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson

History
This whole thread is interesting to me, first, because I believe in our cause of equality but also because I am reading a history of the Daughters of Bilitis (bi-LEE-tis) which was the first lesbian organization in the country. 

I see how far we have come but have remained in the same place.  The arguments in the 50's and 60's were amazingly similar and yet we have made significant progress.

For instance, there was a lot of agreement that lesbians in the group needed to wear dresses in public- at their conventions, at gatherings, etc.  Oh not just dresses but the matching shoes, also.

The main form of communication was a newsletter called The Ladder which was typed, stenciled and mailed in sealed manila envelopes to the 150-200 subscriptions around the country.  Snail mailed, mind you.

There was considerable controversy whether to picket in front of businesses, the White House or political venues.  many people did not think that was a good idea and that we should wait for our political leaders to come around to equality.

My point?  I know we can continue to discuss the upcoming election.  I know many will not be happy with whoever our candidate is but we all must make decisions at some point on who will vote for.  Some will have to hold their nose and vote, some will be happy with the outcome.  Either way, some of us are not wearing skirts or pumps unless we want to.


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