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Radical Thoughts on Mormon involvement in Prop 8

by: RadicalRuss

Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 13:47:09 PM EST


Homophobes like to scare people with the idea that the gays recruit innocent straight kids and that homosexuality is but one slippery slope away from pedophilia and bestiality.  I endorse the opposite approach: the more anti-gay you are, the more I want to keep you away from the kids.

For years the Catholic Church has gotten the rap for the child sex abuse scandals they hath wrought.  So when there is a hurricane to blame on gay folks, you know it's good Catholics like Pastor John Hagee who step up to the plate. (Whoa, major fail on my part.  I can't keep track of which religion hates who anymore!)  In this latest Prop 8 gay marriage battle in California, there was significant involvement (cue Dr. Evil, "One million dollars!") on the pro-8 side by the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic organization.

But then there is the Mormon Church.  Initially, there is the rank hypocrisy of a state/religion that turns a blind eye to its fundamentalist polygamists and their child brides, that then has more than significant involvement ("Twenty million dollars!") fighting to end the marriage rights of monogamous adults.  

(NYTimes) ST. GEORGE, Utah - Polygamy is probably here to stay. But child abuse in the polygamist world must be eradicated at all costs.

That was the two-part message here on Thursday night from top state officials from Arizona and Utah, who spoke - sometimes in impassioned tones, sometimes in exasperation - to a packed audience of fundamentalist polygamists and curious local residents.

"We do not plan a raid to end polygamy," said the Utah attorney general, Mark L. Shurtleff. "I know you're worried about that. We're not going to do it."


Then there is the irony of their "prophet's" sudden "revelations" about polygamy and black people when it becomes politically expedient -- though the polygamy "revelation" took 28 years after Congress outlawed it (11 years after SCOTUS upheld it) and the less "white and delightsome" folks "revelation" took 14 years after the Civil Rights Act, so I use the term "sudden" loosely.  Yet the Mormons stubbornly insist that this time God is absolutely sure about this whole gay marriage thing and couldn't ever change his mind?

If you ask me, the gays and lesbians have picked the right religion to picket.  Catholic God takes 359 years to change his mind.

One thing I know, having grown up Mormon, is how well they can keep a secret.  Keeping in mind the Mormons donated half of all the money given to support Prop 8, that's a whole lot of anti-gay for me to want to keep away from the kids.  Could there be a few underaged skeletons in the temple closets?

AMERICAblog News| A great nation deserves the truth

We know how widespread the Catholic problem is. But, the Mormons have done a better job of hiding abuse. Last year, the PBS show, Expose: America's Investigative Reports, did a show on Peter Zuckerman, a reporter in Idaho Falls, Idaho, who busted open a scandal involving sex abuse, the Boy Scouts and the Mormons. Apparently, the Mormons pretty much control the Boy Scouts in several Western states. The perp involved in the case molested a lot of young kids and a lot of adults in the Boy Scouts and the Mormon Church knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. In fact, they kept putting the perp in positions where he was in contact with kids. They went to great lengths to cover it up. After Zuckerman exposed the scandal, he was attacked personally. And, that included going after him because he was gay. Yeah, surprise. Supporters of the Boy Scouts and Mormons played dirty and launched homophobic attacks on the reporter. According to Zuckerman, there were times when he was actually fearful for his life.

One Idaho Falls business leader, Frank VanderSloot of Melaleuca, "The Wellness Company," (which owns Nicole Miller Skin Care), who is also a Mormon, bought full page ads attacking the series -- and the reporter who wrote it. One ad included an attack on Zuckerman's "homosexuality" claiming the gay reporter had a "personal ax to grind" because the Boy Scouts didn't allow gay reporters. Interestingly, Belinda Vandersloot, who appears to be the wife of Frank, donated $100,000 to the Yes on Prop 8 campaign. That family can't get enough of the gay-bashing.

Zuckerman's full series, which originally ran in 2005 in the Idaho Falls Post-Register, can be found here. This wasn't an isolated incident. Subsequent investigations uncovered several other pedophiles in the Boy Scouts. The series led to a change in Idaho's laws on child abuse -- ending the statute of limitations for reporting the incidents.


I was a Boy Scout in Idaho for about three weeks.  The reporter has it down; in my town, Boy Scouts and Mormon Church were essentially the same thing.  Oh sure, you could join if you weren't Mormon, but you'd then be meeting at the Mormon Stake Center*, surrounded by Mormon kids, taught by Mormon Scoutmasters (who were the youth pastors on Sunday at the temple), introduced to Mormon scripture and practices, and forced to eat Jell-O.  My God, the Jell-O!**

The whole thing set off my then-12-year-old creep-o-meter.  I have no knowledge of anybody fooling around with the kids, but I didn't stick around very long to find out.

RadicalRuss :: Radical Thoughts on Mormon involvement in Prop 8
* Mormons have a whole regimental hierarchy of people, places, and things.  A central meeting place in any reasonably-sized Mormon town is the Stake Center, which usually has a shrunken basketball court / stage / auditorium, some meeting rooms, and a chapel.  

Often, these Stake Centers would hold Stake Dances for the adolescent Mormon boys and girls.  Slow dancing was allowed, but only if there is enough room for the Book of Mormon and Pearls of Great Price to be placed between the two dancers.  I used to always joke that the Stake Dances should be held at the Sizzler.  

One time, the very first rock band I was ever in, at age 15, played for a Stake Dance.  We were told cut one of our cover tunes, Pat Benatar's "Hell is for Children".  We tried to explain that it was a song against child abuse, but they wouldn't have us singing, "Hell is for... Hell is for... Hell is for Children!"

** Jell-O is like the official snack food of Mormons.  The area of southern Idaho where I grew up is part of "the Jell-O belt".  Last I checked, Utah led the nation in per-capital consumption of Jell-O, and it is the State Snack Food.  Nobody seems to know why, but my theory is that Mormons have large families and Jell-O is a cheap, easy, way to feed and entertain lots of toe-headed Mormon kids.

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I endorse the opposite approach: the more anti-gay you are, the more I want to keep you away from the kids.
Arguably, at least some of the Mormon activity related to Prop 8 is constitutionally protected speech (which is a different issue than whether any of it should affect their tax-free status), but nothing about how the Catholic Church dealt (or didn't deal) with its internal corporate pedophilia should have been protected in the slightest.

>^..^<

John Hagee is not Catholic
He's Baptist, and considers the papacy to be the antichrist.




Claim to fame: Posted first PHB diary to be demoted


Whoops, major fail!
Thanks for catching that.  Hagee hates the Catholics and the gays.  I can't keep track of which religion is hating on whom anymore.

I shall strike...

"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson


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Mormons
Dan Savage sort of summed it all up:

"When political attacks are launched from churches, political responses will be delivered to churches. If goddamned McDonald's had organized and paid for Prop 8, we'd be marching on goddamned McDonald's."


makes me glad I flunked out of cub scouts
I only lasted about three weeks... besides, jello isn't kosher.

John Aravosis is a bigot
  John Aravosis is a bigot who doesn't believe that transgendered people should have a place at the table, nor indeed even a place within the larger LGBT community. He has even gone so far as to drop the "T" from LGBT and pretend that he had never included it. He supports a non trans inclusive ENDA and while we can argue the merits of his support for a non inclusive ENDA, it was regarding ENDA that his true feelings towards transgendered Americans came out into the open. He even wrote an article in Salon arguing that transgendered Americans "Don't have anything in common" with the larger community. This piece came out just a day or two after Barney Frank let slip his opposition to inclusion.
 Quoting Aravosis or linking to Americablog to make any point about a civil rights issue is ironic in the extreme, considering how he doesn't believe in 100% inclusion in the ENDA bill, nor even that transgendered Americans even deserve a seat at the table. It strikes me as having no difference to quoting the head of the KKK or linking to their site when THEY say something that makes sense. Unless you are ready to argue that transgendered Americans are "less American" or even "less human" than the rest of the country, I don't see how you can jusitify linking to him. Hate is hate and prejudice is prejudice. Is Aravosis less a bigot because he only hates the tiny segment of the population that identifies as transexxual? Because we are fewer in number than African Americans, we should be more forgiving of those people who hate us than we should be of the people that hate black people? Or is there some other reason why we should forgive him and grant him creibility? Because I haven't heard him say anything to retract or modify his published position on the issues. But don't take my word for it. Go to Salon and search John Aravosis and read his opinion in the malicious and despicable original.
 This is one of those rare instances which is almost as stark as black and white. In my opinion, we are either for treating members of the community equally or we are not. Aravosis is demonstrably not. Don't legitimize hate by granting it credibility because it gets something right once in a while.

...and the sun rose in the east today....NOT news here!
I agree with you, but he's always had the HRC-style well-off, well-educated white male entitlement mindset, and he's missed the point for years and years.

I'd work with him, not cut him out totally - he's 100% wrong on this issue, but capable of learning, if he shuts off his Inside the Beltway attitude for a minute. What he doesn't have is faith and patience and empathy, and if challenged in BOLD CAPS tends to close his ears. A dispassionate approach, listing reasons why "gender identity and expression" language is important to Ts AND to LGBs, is more likely to work. This is a reasonable approach for people to use on LGBs who don't have solidarity with Ts.  


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Bigotry is bigotry
 I used to be like you and I set aside a very similar argument that I had with him in 1999 and worked with him all during the Bush years up until earlier this year when Frank came out for a non inclusive ENDA. He was ugly and hateful and refused to accept any point of view that conflicted with his own. This is not about a difference of opinion. Either I deserve the same rights that he asks me to fight for on his behalf or I don't and he has been quite clear that he doesn't consider it his battle or the transgendered part of his community. What bothers me most about people letting the reality that John Aravosis is a narrow minded, bigoted asshole slide out of expediency is that we don't legitimize the KKK by linking to them, we shun them and lend them no credence. I don't get the distinction that you apparently see here. Why is it okay for Aravosis to hate on TGs and not okay for the Klan to hate on black people? Why is hating me and denying me equal status acceptable?

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And one more thing:
 In my opinion, granting Aravosis credibility and traffic is a pretty piss poor way of giving him an incentive to change his behavior.

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Even a stopped clock is right
twice a day.  I was merely using John's post to link to the overall story on the Mormon Boy Scout sex expose.

"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson

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You linked to him
 You sent him traffic. There is no disclaimer in the post that says that Americablog is the site of a bigot. Again, why do you not have a problem linking to someone who believes that I deserve my unequal status? Why do you disparage people like the LDS and FotF for working to prevent same sex marriage while you send traffic to a guy who doesn't believe that I should have to "right" to work and support myself? I like and respect you Russ but saying that a stopped clock is right twice a day is a cop out.

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As with the Catholic Church, the LDS prefer damage control by silence...
...silence on pain of excommunication. A hierarchical and geographically divided church which uses excommunication and does not foster open debate is at risk for a code of silence concerning wrongdoings which may jeopardize its image or its most senior personnel (bishops, etc).

Denominations and churches really need to have a standard operating procedure for reporting child abuse to a lay board, pertinent bishop or other supervisors, and civil authorities. Interestingly, Episcopal Bp. Gene Robinson set one of these up during his time as assistant to the bishop in New Hampshire. The Southern Baptists, on the other hand, voted down a denominational SOP and central office for reporting child abuse problems by clergy. While it is true that not a whole lot can be done by the central office since the individual pastor isn't paid by the denomination, the denomination as a whole can strike that pastor off the rolls of those eligible to pastor SB churches.


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