Jon Stewart slays the homophobic Huckabeast without breaking a sweat

This is a comedy show

As I was watching the interview last night, I kept asking "why do we have to get these guys on a COMEDY SHOW to have the hard questions asked?"

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by: cindik @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:12:19 AM CST

Because the "regular" journalists

are nothing but a bunch of jokers.

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by: doctorscience @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:01:50 AM CST

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It's amazing.

Go and watch his interview with Tony Blair.  It's completely crazy that Stewart is evolving into the hardest hitting interviewer in journalism.

And the crazy thing is, he always does it with integrity and respect for the person he's talking to.  You feel like he's having a legitimate conversation with the person, and isn't ambushing them or condescending to them, or yelling at them.  

Our world is bizarre.  

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by: Valatan @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:06:02 PM CST

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My thoughts exactly

The Blair interview Stewart did dwarfed all other boot-lickin' "interviews".

Decades more of abuse? - OR - Stonewall.  Nationwide.  NOW!

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by: John Bisceglia @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 16:41:10 PM CST

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Once again, he goes where the "professional" journalists are afraid to

tread.  Loved that he gets it, and that he make Huckabee answer.

The one thing I would have loved to see him add - Gays/lesbians have been getting married in Massachusetts for 5 years now - can you show any evidence that all the bad things that you claim will happen if we recognize same sex marriage have happened there?

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by: Scott_NC @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:24:06 AM CST

What about Limbaugh?

I wish these freaks like Huckabee would explain about Limbaugh. Huckabee will tell you he adores and respects Limbaugh. Yet Limbaugh has devastated the institution of marriage with barren marriages, multiple divorces, and abuse of viagra while unmarried (fornication). So many of Huckabee's associates have attacked marriage again and again with their horrendous divorces, yet he would never propose they be stripped of rights.

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by: Ralph4159 @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:19:48 PM CST

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Gimme a few minutes

and will work on the transcript via separate diary that can be linked...

THANK YOU, JON STEWART.  

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:24:21 AM CST

Help, Pam?

Cannot get the video to embed onto my diary (keeps saying disallowed code), which is making stopping/starting to make sure I get every word correct IMPOSSIBLE.

 

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:45:18 AM CST

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here is the direct link to the video

http://www.thedailyshow.com/vi...

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by: Pam Spaulding @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:47:30 AM CST

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Thx

Great task for a windy, rainy day. Gonna take awhile- but very worth it. Just wish I typed with more than 3 fingers! ;)

Back at it; got the first minute done. The longest part was searching for working headphones. Word to the wise: teens devour these things, even when a parent wrote HER name on them with a Sharpie. Would love to know where Mary has mine- had to steal a pair of earbuds that she hates from HER.  

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:08:58 AM CST

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Huckabee is spooky calm...

... and that makes him a nightmare. When you watch Pat Robertson, you have to fight not to see the straitjacket that he really ought to be wearing. He oozes lunacy from every pore. Huckabee doesn't come across that way, and it makes his wingnuttery harder to expose.

Though, Jon S. got him good with the history lesson. Score 1 for someone who went to college, not just bible college.

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by: dewdrop_world @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:04:29 AM CST

Crazy on the Inside

You are absolutely right.  He was the one who scared me most among all of the Republican contestants because he seems so nice and reasonable.  I really didn't want to have to run against him.  

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by: ChristopherM @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:39:13 AM CST

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...went to Bible College...

BA in religion, dropped out of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

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by: cindik @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 09:15:52 AM CST

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Spooky calm is right.

Huckabee reminds me of Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter.

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by: johnbinpt @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:53:01 AM CST

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Jon Stewart rocks...

...for not just passively supporting our cause, but fighting for our cause as well.

My favorite line was:

"It's a travesty that people have forced someone how is gay to have to make their case that they deserve the same basic rights that everyone else."

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by: JonathanU @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:37:56 AM CST

Divorce

I thought Stewart was wonderful, but I wonder why he didn't raise the issue of divorce with Huckabee.

"Governor, if you're so concerned with the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman, why not just outlaw divorce?  More marriages are destroyed by straights wanting out than gays wanting in.  Why aren't you out there campaigning to 'reform' divorce laws?"

This was behind the Britney-Kevin jibe, but it would have been sharper for Stewart to raise it directly.

That issue tied evangelicals in knots for most of the 20th century, and they have only gotten over it in the last 20 years.  Their problem is that, while Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality, he was very explicit in condemning divorce.  That's why the Catholic Church still doesn't allow it....

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by: Inigo Montoya @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 17:00:17 PM CST

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Jon Goes Where Rachel Fears To Tred!

This is how it's done, Rachel. Watch and learn.  

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by: David Ehrenstein @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:04:08 AM CST

You really think she's going to learn from this?

She's a shameless careerist who will never do anything to upset her corporate masters, such as, oh, confronting the people who make hay by tearing down our lives.  She has already learned--how to look out for Number One, and the hell with the rest of us.

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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by: QScribe @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 09:53:59 AM CST

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I didn't realize it was Rachel Maddow's job to look out for me.

I hereby absolve her of that responsiblity.  I suggest everyone else do so as well.  I can look out for myself and I bet you can do the same.

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by: diablorobotico @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 13:17:00 PM CST

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Absolut absolution

I didn't realize it was Rachel Maddow's job to look out for me.
I hereby absolve her of that responsiblity.  I suggest everyone else do so as well.  I can look out for myself and I bet you can do the same.

3 hearts and 2 woots!

<3 <3 <3

WOOT

WOOT!!!11eleventy

What a day, what a day for an auto-da-fe

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by: revbob @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 03:06:25 AM CST

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Is there something wrong with that?

She has a promising career, and I for one wish her the best of luck.  

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by: Sean McQuillan @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 13:26:02 PM CST

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I still heart Rachel Maddow

Rachel is not only a member of our community, but she's also a friend of the community.  When she interviewed Huckabee, she chose not to engage him on issues of LGBT rights specifically, but she did ask him challenging questions.  Could she have chosen differently?  Sure.  Could she have done better?  Perhaps.  Will she, despite her brilliance, make a mistake every now and then?  Absolutely.  That's no reason to throw her under the bus.

I maintain that if Rachel had asked the same questions that Jon Stewart asked, she would have been perceived not as a champion of civil rights, but a non-journalist with a personal agenda.  It was much, much easier for Jon Stewart to do what he did than it would have been for Rachel - and I don't want to minimize what Jon Stewart did; it was amazing, and I'm a huge fan.

I just want to point out that there are political realities at play.  As a white gay male who is engaged in workplace diversity, I often lean on straight allies to ask the tough questions - not because I'm afraid, but because I won't be listened to.  At the same time, I often step forward to ask the tough questions about race and gender, because I will be listened to when people of color or women might not be.  Allies are key, and Jon Stewart is a great ally.

And ... Rachel Maddow is a brilliant woman, my "sister" in the community, and someone I admire greatly.  Perhaps I'm perceiving more of a backlash against her than truly exists, and my defensiveness is therefore over-the-top.  And perhaps there are some in the LGBT civil rights movement who think me an apologist, and that's okay, I guess.  I appreciate our non-apologetic activists, but I believe that a successful civil rights movement requires a diversity of approaches.

Okay ... stepping off the soapbox now and giving someone else a turn ...

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem

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by: red7eric @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:00:02 PM CST

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Exactly

These questions carry much more weight coming from a straight person.

Fetch my pearls, I need to clutch them!

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by: RainbowPhoenix @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 13:07:07 PM CST

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"Perhaps I'm perceiving more of a backlash against her than truly exists..."

If your perception is shaped solely or largely by the comments on this blog, you are.

The brightest rising star in primetime punditry is a progressive AIDS activist and Rhodes Scholar lesbian.  I can't help but believe that most LGBT people get that that's a good thing.

But, just like Stewart, she isn't a journalist so she can't be held to journalistic standards.  Her still new show is still being defined.  And her opinions and actions don't have to speak for anybody other than her.

Some people can insist that it's a fact that she's responsible for any number of things, but that won't make it true.  She's responsible for putting on a successful show as defined by ratings and shares.  The rest is opinion.

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by: diablorobotico @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 13:27:58 PM CST

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Me too, although...

I understand why Rachel didn't hit Huckabee harder. But I do wish she'd asked him to explain how her relationship, personally, was damaging to the institution of marriage. I think that it's important to force the conversation away from abstracts and into real people. I've noticed that NO ONE on the anti-marriage side has been able to explain specifically how two men or two women that they don't know getting married will directly impact their lives in any way. Confronting them with the argument reveals that they don't have an answer, and I would have liked to see Huckabee flailing around on that one.

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by: Darkrose @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 15:08:52 PM CST

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Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant

Stewart was calm, humane, clear, thoughtful. He obviously is aware of the latest research about the history of marriage, and he undermined Huckabee at every point. He did exactly what Maddow should have done when she had the chance: illuminated the deep cruelty and illogic at the core of the GOP and the conservative movement.  I do wish he had mentioned overpopulation, though, since this "next generation" stuff is bogus.

SAVE THE PLANET: GO GAY.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:25:20 AM CST

Alert Obama

Apparently it is possible to directly question a politician and force them to explain their incomprehensible position.

Maybe he might actually see how ridiculous it sounds when someone says "God is in the mix."

Thank you Jon Stewart.  

At least someone isn't afraid to say they find the idea of making a case for equality to be offensive and unamerican.  I seem to recall John Aravosis making that statement in the past.  We are surrounded by gay ladder climbers.

It is the trickle down theory of social justice.  In theory, the more gays that get elevated to positions of political or media power the more the rest of us will be liberated.  

Unfortunately, like economic trickle down, the only beneficiaries of trickle down are those at the top who horde what they have achieved and turn their back on the rest of us.

Hey Obama - make room at the table for Maddow.  She's got hers.  

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by: Patrick @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:54:48 AM CST

You 'da man

I vote that we elect Jon Stewart the official spokesman of the LGBT movement and as a bonus stewardship over the HRC.

Just don't forget to bring up that Massachusetts has not fallen into the ocean for letting teh gays get married and the children of the state have not started cannibalising each other as intimated by the right-wing rhetoric.  

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by: Will St. James @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 09:34:33 AM CST

MA

The nutjobs would probably argue that MA is so godless and perverted anyway that it would be hard to tell if it had slid further into the pit of degradation (I don't mean the Big Dig, btw) since gay marriage became legal there.

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 09:52:18 AM CST

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Yeah but

Mass still has one of the lowest divorce rates in the country and our Gay pride parades are flooded with religious groups.

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by: BB @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 14:04:57 PM CST

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Facts?!

How dare you throw facts in the face of the right wing?
They live the Talking Heads line: "Facts don't do what I want them to."

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report

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by: Lev Raphael @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 20:23:22 PM CST

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I dislike Mike Huckabee as well, but...

...but saying that ""The only way to create the next generation is a man-woman relationship" is sh*t, makes you look crazy.  Unless you didn't take high school biology, then you should know that the only way to make kids is with a  man and a woman.  I am not defending Huckabee, nor gay marriage bans.  There is plenty of other stuff to criticize Huckabee for saying other than stating a scientific fact that men and women together are the only way to create new life, and thus a new generation.  Just sayin'.

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by: adambedge17 @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 09:52:24 AM CST

and somehow that would change if I marry my partner? that's the crazy logic

they always twist when they have no other solid foundation to stand on.

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by: Scott_NC @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:16:19 AM CST

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Actually that is bullshit.

You don't need a man and a woman to make a new human. You need sperm and egg cells, and a working uterus. Two lesbians can have a baby, all they need is a sperm donor. You also don't need to have given birth to a human to be raising it. Plenty of people adopt or get custody of family members' kids.

And Scott's right as well, gay marriage isn't going to make any straight people disappear or stop reproducing anyway, it will have no effect on the population.

Stewart nailed it: it's only that right wingers don't believe gay people can make competent parents. Of course because they think gay people are mentally ill or worship the devil, so how could they possibly raise children?

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by: Eshto @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:38:22 AM CST

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We need to deflect this argument

These folks put forward the idea that IF GLBT's are allowed to marry THEN straights will stop reproducing.

This is faulty logic, and they need to be called on it.

"Do you really believe the population will decline if same-sex couples get marriage rights?"
"Since you say you're okay with marriage-like benefits for same-sex couples, how does actually allowing marriage suddenly cause a massive population decline?"
"Or are you really feeling just a little insecure in your sexuality and are worried that were marriage equality in place, you and all your drinking buddies could be persuaded after a few beers to ditch your girlfriends, shack up w/ your pool boys, and forego 'training the next generation'?"

Face it, even if the population was ~25% GLBT, there would still be enough folks makin' babies to continue the species. I mean, Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston are already doin' their part, right?

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by: Lane @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:03:51 PM CST

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Huckabee nonsense

Notice Huckabee was afraid of even commenting on the skills of gays as parents. He just kept referring to procreation. Yet there are millions of barren hetero couples who adopt kids. Since these specific heteros were chosen by God to NOT participate in procreation, does Huckabee believe they are an abomination for adopting (like gay couples can do)?

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by: Ralph4159 @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:32:32 PM CST

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My oldest son is adopted.

I didn't have to "create" him to love him...but love is often what creates a family.

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As if there were safety in stupidity alone.
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by: Autumn Sandeen @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 17:42:27 PM CST

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Not a valid point anwyay

Because allowing same-sex marriage will not stop heterosexuals from having sex.

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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by: belfrieboi @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 09:37:06 AM CST

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You're missing the point

It's not about the fact that gay people can't reproduce together through intercourse. It's about the fact that he's saying it in order to imply that being gay is a dead end for humanity. Gay people can adopt children, gay men can have children through a surrogate, and gay women can go to a sperm bank. Being gay doesn't mean that you're infertile.

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by: JoshMich @ Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 06:32:23 AM CST

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Transcription up

Lost darned thing TWICE in early stage- gah!! ;)

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 09:53:28 AM CST

Right after the election

I read a comment by a winger making fun of Obama...

"I suppose he'll make Jon Stewart his Press Secretary,"

The thing is, Stewart would probably be a very good one. He's certainly smart enough. He has the media experience and knows how to handle an audience.

Those who watch his show know that he actually reads all of the books of the authors he interviews. That means he reads three or four books a week. The man takes his job very seriously. He's educated -- he has a Psychology degree from William and Mary.  

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:29:09 AM CST

Stewart was just great, except...

not being gay, I don't think he gets it all the way.

when Huckster was saying that marriage is about creating and educating the next generation, JS should have asked how gay marriage prevents straight people from doing that. He also should have asked about why people who don't reproduce and don't like children are allowed to be married.

He also should have asked about the gay people who have children, and how lack of marriage impacts them.

when the huckster said that people should be free to live their lives the way they want, JS should have asked Huckster about sodomy laws.

He should also have Asked about the very strong religious component to the intermarriage campaigns, and about freedom of religion.

Other than that...brilliant.

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by: Ben in Oakland @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:28:46 AM CST

It was a seven-minute clip

I'm sure that Jon Stewart "gets it" enough to ask all of those questions, but he's working on a limited time-frame.  If he had a Charlie Rose format, he might have been able to go to all of the valid questions you raise.  The fact that he chose the targets that Huckabee himself pointed out for him doesn't mean that he's out of touch; he just ran out of time.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem

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by: red7eric @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:02:57 PM CST

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see my post a few lines up

I say, call 'em on those things. Not Jon, but the idiots who say marriage equality will be the end of civilization.

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by: Lane @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:05:16 PM CST

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Thank you Jon for pointing out that his religion is a lifestyle choice

and the gay parent "merit" argument..

however, his lifestyle choice DOES get NATIONAL preferential treatment.  What other lifestyle choice (Christianity) gets it's own national holiday (that time and a half is paid)????

I think Jon was successful in this where Rachel felt she couldn't do this BECAUSE Jon is straight and if Rachel had gone after Huckabee this way it would have been cast as "gays beating up on the Christians again"

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by: clytemnestra @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:50:33 AM CST

Although...

if this actually goes viral, I could see it painted as a Jewish conspiracy or something quite easily.

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by: Valatan @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11:54 PM CST

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Wolf

What this says about the relative intelligence of the cable/network news guys is anybody's guess.

Wolf is no dummy. SAIS doesn't give out Masters degrees like Harvard gives out BAs. But he's bought so deeply into the corporate media narrative, Amway has promoted him to Corporate Media Narrative Distributor.

What a day, what a day for an auto-da-fe

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by: revbob @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:10:30 AM CST

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Wolf

What this says about the relative intelligence of the cable/network news guys is anybody's guess.

Wolf is no dummy. SAIS doesn't give out Masters degrees like Harvard gives out BAs. But he's bought so deeply into the corporate media narrative, Amway has promoted him to Corporate Media Narrative Distributor.

What a day, what a day for an auto-da-fe

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by: revbob @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:10:30 AM CST

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Stewart's Edge

The problem wingers have with Jon Stewart is they reflexively underestimate his intelligence and subtlety (hey, he's a comedian, right?) while overestimating their own. Gets them knee-capped every time. The other side of the coin is that when wingers go into an interview with a Wolf Blitzer or a Charlie Gibson, they have the same hubris but are usually right, successfully knee-capping those worthies. What this says about the relative intelligence of the cable/network news guys is anybody's guess.

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by: Sam Thornton @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:51:09 AM CST

Bill Bennett

Jon's best interview yet on gay marriage was with Bill Bennett (the anti-gay gambling addict who wrote a series of books on virtue): http://tony.buzznet.com/user/v...

In the interview, Bennett actually admits that the debate is over and that gay marriage advocates have won.

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by: Ralph4159 @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:37:48 PM CST

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Jon Stewart said it so well

I wonder if Rachel Maddow found the discussion "uninteresting"?

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by: Ralph4159 @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:04:48 PM CST

Probably

I'm sure she would be entertained by the ass-kicking. And I don't think she'd say "uninteresting," but I think she would say that she didn't learn anything new about Mike Huckabee as a result of this dialogue with Jon Stewart.

I loved this clip; and Jon Stewart is my hero.  And ... I really didn't learn anything new about Huckabee either.  But, I was mightily entertained by the ass-kicking.  And, which is more important, I think that a lot of Jon's straight fans were probably educated by this exchange, and that's pretty darn cool.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem

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by: red7eric @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:20:57 PM CST

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Open and honest debate will win every time.

  I love the way the Hucker kept up the 68% line.  Polling showed that 70% of voters would have kept whites and blacks from marrying when Loving vs. Virginia was decided in the SCOTUS.

 

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:04:54 PM CST

And a majority opposed interracial marriage...

...until the mid-1980s!

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 14:06:31 PM CST

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Made Me Cry, Too... and now, I'm crying that this clip is not on YouTube

This is awesome, and I never thought I could stand to watch another of these type of debates again.

I wanted to post the video directly to Facebook, but Comedy Central won't allow that. I resent them for having a show that is so directly politically vital, but they screw up the technology so the messages can't flourish.

I look forward to the day when Huckabee and his ilk are known by only one word: Barbarians.

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by: susiebright @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:21:59 PM CST

You can put it on Facebook

Just paste the Comedy Central URL into "Share Link."  A friend of mine put it on Facebook just this morning.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem

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by: red7eric @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:31:59 PM CST

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Thanks, Jon

I don't even know what else to say.

I have been so proud of two straight white guys--Keith Olbermann and Jon Stewart--in the aftermath of Prop 8. Yes, maybe it's easier for them to take on the bigots like Huckabee since they won't be accused of "gay journalism", but I am still very, very thankful that two relatively MSM guys have called out the terrible wrong done to the queer community by these amendments.

And I was sad hearing Rachel Maddow be so defensive on Signorile's show yesterday. She kept coming back to the "you're calling me names" trope when all Mike S. was doing was pointing out her TONE. He did NOT ever say that SHE was smug or glib, just that her commentary around queer marriage rights came off with that TONE. And having listened to her, I was not reassured that this is not her general attitude towards queer activists. She lives in a protected bubble in so many ways.

That said, I am still glad that she has a national TV show, and I hope that she learned some lessons from her interview with Huckabee.

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by: elizabethws @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:31:53 PM CST

I feel compelled to point out

  That though Jon Stewart did indeed give the best interview of cHuckabee which I have ever seen, in that same episode and in fact in the segment just prior, Stewart strongly implied that transgendered people are freaks. Now, I know I'm probably going to get flack for this but you know what? My opinion of what was said is subjective also and I am entitled to it.
 I have stayed out of the Rachel Maddow vs Mike cHuckabee debate because I feel like I'm not allowed to disagree on this blog, that I'm not entitled to state my opinion that what Maddow did was an error in her part but not worth condemning her over. What is worse? Rachel Maddow erring on the side of caution, (YES!!! She fucked up!!!), or Jon Stewart calling transgendered Americans freaks to further his "comedy"?
 I like Jon Stewart and I'm not going to to stop watching him but where is the outrage about what he specifically said about me? Seems like people are much more upset over what Maddow neglected to ask. Is not being tough on a fag hater more dispicable than when a supposed ally uses part of our community as a joke?
 

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by: Margaret @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 13:23:38 PM CST

I must have had my head in the fridge

I missed the transgender remark.

But, both Stewart and Colbert do it. We need to call them out on it when they do.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 14:10:40 PM CST

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He was speaking on the decline of newspapers

Online ads are cheaper, they receive wider distribution, and, perhaps most importantly, many newspapers still stubbornly refuse to post classified ads like, '57 Year Old Man looking for No-Strings-Attached Shemale Scat Gang Bang

This would be the quote to which I assume Margaret is referring.  Once again  defamation of transgender persons  caused by the perception that we are all paraphilliac transvestites.  Public perception often conflates persons transitioning gender with mostly straight men who get their jollies donning a pair of fishnet stockings and some dominatrix boots.  We are sort of where the gay male community was ten years ago when mainstream America thought all gay men wore black leather hats and chaps and sported the ubiquitous porn moustache.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

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by: Kiera_Lynn @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 14:30:21 PM CST

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If he was calling anyone a freak...

Wasn't he implying it was the person who posted the ad?

The "NO FREAKS" was the punch line at the end of the ad.  

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by: Kringas @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 14:53:07 PM CST

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It's a gray area

To me the natural inference is that there is something freakish or wrong with an interest in transsexuals, and therefore something freakish and wrong about transsexuality.  I personally don't date men but every one of my straight identified TS friends who does has at least ten stories about men who were solely interested to satisfy a sexual urge or curiousity.  My point is this, I guess, yeah tranny chasers are creepy, but I am kind of sick of being used as the go to punchline now that every other minority has been pc-ed out.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

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by: Kiera_Lynn @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 15:05:07 PM CST

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I couldn't figure out if it was a real ad or not...

Either way, regardless of which end of it you're on, if you are participating in a shemale scat gang bang, then I'm afraid you're just going to have to own your freakiness.  

I thought the natural inference was the irony that someone wanting a scat-gang bang would post "No Freaks" in the ad.  

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by: Kringas @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 15:11:36 PM CST

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right

the irony as a result of the implication that the ad poster did not view himself as a "freak" when it should be obvious to the rest of the sane world that he is a "freak", and thereby leading into my logic.  Oh and nobody, trans or cisgender, will ever be pooping on me.  Ever.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

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by: Kiera_Lynn @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 15:26:40 PM CST

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Is that what it meant?

Saw the clip and lil Louise had no clue...

Now, THAT- THAT is a serious "ick" moment. With a few "ewwwwws!!!" thrown in for good measure.

Damnation, people are, um, varied...

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:24:02 AM CST

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What about the Immaculate Conception???

Some Baptist minister that Huckabee! Christ didn't come from a "man-woman relationship" and he wasn't just the "next generation" he was the next generation of religion. But old Huck won't let stop his homophobia!

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by: Evan Ravitz @ Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 23:45:57 PM CST

jon was great ....BRAVO!

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small

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by: peteyPornpig @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 03:15:21 AM CST

Travesty?

Why does Jon Stewart hate T&Q people?

;)

Bus leaves for Pierian Spring in 10 minutes.

What a day, what a day for an auto-da-fe

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by: revbob @ Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 03:54:36 AM CST