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Never mind the Big Tent

by: Pam Spaulding

Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 06:30:05 AM EST


This graphic is via OpenLeft, as you walk out of the Big Tent for the day, you don't get on the bus, you get to experience tire marks on you:

Having had a few hours of sleep (I will discuss the Rick Warren debacle on  Glenn Greenwald's podcast at 6:30AM ET), I'll make a few more observations here in the wake of the explosions of anger about Barack Obama's desire to have evangelical pastor Rick Warren deliver the invocation at the inauguration.

First of all, Warren was Barack Obama's selection. While it was announced by an inaugural committee, the buck stops with the man at the top of the food chain. He wouldn't have the anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-science, church-and-state-merging Warren up there if he didn't think it was a good idea. After all, they are friends despite the megachurch pastor's sandbagging of candidate Obama during the Saddleback forum re: choice.

While it's obvious that an invocation is just a prayer and that Warren is not part of the Obama administration, Warren taking the pulpit as some sort of olive branch to evangelicals and a show of unity and diversity is absurd and insulting symbolism. The fact that the Obama camp's talking points mention a LGBT marching band's presence during the official parade shows you how clueless (or calculating, you decide) these folks are.

A marching band is entertainment, someone up at a pulpit (whether you are of faith or not) delivering an invocation is an obvious, powerful symbol of a "message of the day" endorsed by the soon to be sworn-in president. It is delivered by the person selected because of who they are and what they stand for. The only feeble mitigating factor here might be that Warren, if he has any common sense, will not devote a word to his Dobsonesque bigotry should he take to the podium and give a simple blessing devoid of fundamentalist BS. I'm not holding my breath.

More below the fold.  

Pam Spaulding :: Never mind the Big Tent
But that's small comfort to those who are on the receiving end of his bigotry:

* Warren compares same-sex marriage to incest.


Warren: I'm opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I'm opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.
Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?
Rick Warren: Oh I do.  ...
He says he has gay friends and eaten in the homes of homos (are these the same invisible gay friends of Sarah Palin?), but he believes their desire to marry will destroy the institution of marriage, as if the skyrocketing divorce rate he cites in the video isn't doing the job quite well.

Warren worked hard to pass Prop 8 in California to remove existing rights of a group of people under the guise of "free speech." I wonder how his imaginary gay buddies felt about that.

* How about advocates for reproductive freedom? Rick Warren and his positions on gays have taken up a lot of traffic on the Intertubes, but quite frankly, Obama has offended a much larger slice of his supporters as well. Warren doesn't want to make abortion rare, he compares it to the Holocaust.

"Don't tell me it should be rare. That's like saying on the Holocaust, 'Well, maybe we could save 20 percent of the Jewish people in Poland and Germany and get them out and we should be satisfied with that,'" Warren said. "I'm not satisfied with that. I want the Holocaust ended."
I guess that makes all women who have had to deal with the gut-wrenching decision are all little Hitlers to Warren. In fact this means he believes a fertilized egg is a person, and he wants you to treat it as a fetus-citizen -- and all the legal and ethical chaos that entails. I don't think there is any way to bridge that gap with those who believe in reproductive freedom -- or the separation of church and state for that matter.

I think the questions we need to ask ourselves as we continue this debate is to acknowledge what the Obama folks are trying to do -- present a wide berth of beliefs in a show of unity for one day, but give them no slack in letting them know this selection didn't hit the mark with anyone, as far as I can tell. This situation was completely avoidable; he could have selected other evangelicals whose views on these hot button issues were moderate.

But he didn't.

Related:
* Homobigot Rick Warren to deliver invocation at inauguration
* Obama camp's Warren talking points are out - as are Freeper comments

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Tit for tat
I smell a rat. I think Obama  made some sort of deal with Rick Warren prior to the election. We see what Warren is getting in return, but it's anybody's guess what Obama got from him, or plans to get. This could be just the beginning of another venal intrusion into secular law by the fundaligionists.


Where are the racial bigots on the platform? How can he claim inclusiveness
and reaching out to everyone if he leaves them out?

For that matter, if he's reaching out to all the faiths, where are any besides the Christian?


Oh, Man!
The choice of Warren stinks at every level and in every way.
It makes me ashamed of Obama and his team's cluelessness.  What don't they get?  Choosing Warren sends the absolute wrong message--it enshrines bigotry at the heart of the ceremony that begins the new administration. Doesn't Obama know better?  And it turns the gay marching band into a minstrel show.  

On a personal note, I loathe anyone who drags in the Holocaust to make a weak analogy and support his troglodytic ideas.  

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


Especially when "christians" are on record....
for attempting an American holocaust of gay USA citizens, not once, but twice since the mid 70's.

[ Parent ]
Knowing Obama
This decision is his final one. The bigot pastor will be doing the invocation. What the audience can do (and what I would do iof I were there) is stand for the invocation and turn their backs to the podium during the prayer. Don't shout. Don't wave signs. Just turn your back to the podium. It's a silent protest. A silent insult to Warren. A silent refusal to accept the prayer.

I think this episode shows
that to Obama being anti-gay or homophobic is simply a polite disagreement on the same level of supporting different sports teams. To him it does not rise to the level of racism. So it's ok to include Warren. We just don't meet the litmus test of condemnation that is rotely and justifiably shown against racism. I mean come on, if Obama has no problem supporting "different" views he needs to get some white supremacists and anti-semites and on and on, to be onstage so we can be one big happy family! Oh that's right they are all beyond the pale...but those GLBT folks...we can still give them happytalk during the campaign,screw them over after we win and then come back for more money next election season.

Exactly right.
I understand, from a strategic perspective, why Obama would want to welcome and include people he disagrees with during his inauguration.  It sends a powerful message, especially to the citizens who didn't vote for Obama, to see someone up there who believes what they believe.

And yet, as a gay man, I can't help but feel betrayed by this choice.  It's great that the official talking points note the disagreement between Warren and Obama on "LGBT issues," but our community isn't about "issues" -- it's about people.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem


[ Parent ]
Pam, is this true, and if it is--?
This was posted on OpenLeft:

For example, would it not be of some relevance to note that the the choice of Rick Warren delivering the invocation was announced by the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies (JCCIC), a board comprised of both Democrats and Republicans? And would it not be informative to note that the JCCIC plans and executes all Inaugural activities at the United States Capitol, including the Inaugural swearing-in ceremony of the President and Vice President of the United States?  And might it provide greater understanding to note that along with Rick Warren delivering the invocation, it was also announced that Joseph Lowery, who co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King Jr., would deliver the benediction?

Does that mean that the committee makes the decisions in isolation of the transition team and the President-elect?  I find that hard to believe--but maybe somebody out there knows the history and procedures?

"In order to maintain an untenable position, you have to be actively ignorant."  The Colbert Report


no, it was his decision
http://inaugural.senate.gov/me...

The Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies, today announced the program for the 56th Presidential Inauguration, which will take place on the West Front of the U.S. Capitol on January 20, 2009.

The program participants were based on requests from the Presidential-elect and the Vice President-elect.



[ Parent ]
Who is this band anyway?
Are they local to DC?  I'm imagining a group trying to raise money for travel and boarding expenses via bake sales, etc...  Warren on the other hand must be 100% paid for.  If I knew who this band was I'd send them $ so at least they wouldn't have to work quite so hard.  

After having election night stolen away I was really looking forward to the inauguration.  I'd even thought about hosting a party - now that's out too.

This is yet another wake up call that we still have so much work to do and we're going to have to do it - no one is going to do it for us.

I really need SOMETHING to look forward to.


Inauguration Band
The glbt band performing in the inauguration is actually a composite band created by the LGBA (Lesbian and Gay Band Association)  http://www.gaybands.org/
LGBA is composed of various member bands including the NC Pride Marching Band http://www.ncpmb.org/ in Durham which is sending several people to be a part of the LGBA Band.
The contingent was limited to 177 people, so there were many who wanted to go, but didn't make it in before their instrument section was filled.
LGBA bands are all across the country (including Hawaii), plus a couple of Canadian and a couple of Australian gay bands...

NCPMB is a 501c3, so if you make a donation, it is tax deductable... and the LGBA (also 501c3) has a donation widget on their website...

Rich
NCPMB Webmaster


[ Parent ]
I think this is super
To turn around the negative of Rick Warren and support the efforts by the band.

[ Parent ]
Well, I'm sorry but...
I think labrat has a point (from comments on other articles). Obama got elected and we got it in our heads that he would fix everything and be a complete antidote to the horrors of the W administration. Now he does one thing that we don't like, and we're all set to crucify him.

I don't like Warren either. But I'm not about to start screaming and yelling until Obama starts talking seriously and concretely about policies that actually do throw us under the bus. Thirty seconds of Warren on TV offering some mindless, meaningless prayer is, in the grand scheme of things, nothing.

Does anybody have any evidence that this means Obama openly supports gay-hateful policies?


Just one thing...except for...
backing away from repeal of DADT

backing away from repeal of DOMA

for the anti-war set (not really me, I'm against the Iraq Escapade, although I am really pretty interventionist) backing away from immediate withdrawal from Iraq

for the governmental transparency set, supporting FISA

That's a 2-minute run-down, because honestly, Obama's proving he doesn't want us any more.  

# Duty, duty -- honor is, is --
Honor, Creideiki -- alertly
# Shared, is -- Honor #


[ Parent ]
Fair enough
... so go after him for those substantive issues, not for this trifle.

By fixating on a non-issue like this, it only makes us look like we lack perspective.


[ Parent ]
Sorry, Dewdrop
But this is not a small thing.  Symbols are powerful.  Giving an invocation before the swearing in of a new president will not only serve as a powerful symbol, it will also be a ringing endorsement of the person delivering the invocation and his ideals.  Putting a homobigot behind the podium on the day you are inaugurated is a powerful statement, and Obama is too smart not to know that.  I really don't know what  I'm to make of this, other than I'm being abandoned by the President of Change,  for what?  The President's own personal faith?  Political expediency?  I don't know.

Donnie McClurkin received a huge national platform to spew vitriol all over gay and lesbian Americans, without repercussions or admonishment from Obama.  What makes anyone think that given a spotlight like Warren is getting, he won't do the same?  I can hear it now.  "And God, help our President remain strong in the face of those who would tear down our sacred institution of marriage.  Amen"  In front of the largest assembled crowd in the history of Presidential inaugurations, probably one of the largest crowds in history for any purpose.

Non-issue?  I don't think so.


[ Parent ]
Symolism IS a substantive issue
The preacher who has most often served this function before is Billy Graham. By making this choice, Obama is signaling that Warren will be his "spiritual adviser" (remember when that term only applied to palm readers and similar crackpots?) and will have a position ("unofficial" nudge nudge wink wink) of prominence and influence similar to the one Graham used to have, back in the good old days when he used to hold Richard Nixon's hand during Watergate.  If that doesn't concern you as a gay American, you simply haven't thought about it properly.

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


[ Parent ]
This symbolism argument is bull
So, having Warren not give an invocation is going to unsell his 20 million books and reduce his stature in the evangelical community or the country at large?  Didn't think so.

Who's using who?  Do you really think Warren is using Obama to gain stature or Obama is using Warren to gain credibility with evangelicals?

Who remembers the stirring words of Bush I or Clinton's invocation?  Anybody?  Again, didn't think so.

And the benediction from a gay supportive pastor falls into this symbolism agrument where?

Are we all ready to make it a priority to monitor and protest the many gubernatorial invocations and benedictions coming many states soon?  What about the opening sessions of Congress and legislatures across the country?  

Screw legislation and appointments.  Why waste time on policy when we've got an invocation to protest?

Well then, symbolism police to arms!  

Symbolism or policy?  I'll take the latter.


[ Parent ]
Billy Graham gave Clinton's invocation too
... and it would be a stretch to say Graham was Clinton's "spiritual adviser."

What I'm saying is simple. PICK YOUR BATTLES. We are wasting energy on this, energy that should be applied to more important things.

This is why liberals have trouble getting things done. Conservatives pick their battles, and the ones they win end up hurting us all. We sometimes get obsessed with the issue du jour and lose sight of the larger issues that need fixing.

Yes, it's a betrayal. Yes, I'm irritated about it too. But it is a minor betrayal. In the long run, I'm much more interested in marriage equality and ending anti-gay bullying in schools, ending job discrimination, ending senseless murders of gays/lesbians/transfolk. I'm sorry but I do not have time to do even these things let alone get my knickers in a knot over this. I am not willing to waste my time over stupid Rick Warren (who is silly and trivial, and cheapens what it means to be a minister, imo).

Some in the MSM predicted that media commentators would pounce on Obama's every misstep. Well, who needs the MSM when we can do the job for them? It appalls me. The choice of Warren does not yet rise to the level of throwing us under the bus, so why invoke that image?

The wise person channels her energy toward what really matters at the end of the day. We are not showing wisdom here. Get over it and fight the battles that count.


[ Parent ]
Here's the Times's assessment
of the kind of prestige and influence this will confer on Warren:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12...

But go ahead, bury your head in the sand.  Or better yet, click your heels three times, and then Obama really will represent change.

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


[ Parent ]
I am hurt and sad
I was really looking forward to this day and now there it is tainted.  One side of me feels betrayed and mad that Obama would pick a man so divisive and the other side of me thinks that again, he is the president of the whole country and want to be inclusive, but at what cost?

Some of this sounds eerily familiar, in Massachusetts, Deval Patrick's team had scheduled an inaugration day meeting with high school kids at the Tremont Street Temple, a Baptist church that had held the "Love Won Out" conference.  After many complaints they relented and said "they didn't know the history" of the place and rescheduled the venue.  Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen this time. (BTW, the Gov's daughter has since come out as gay)

On another note, what is Rick Warren's flock thinking now?  This is Obama's Day and Warren is blessing the beginning of this Pro-choice, GLBT supporting presidency.


I just wonder
how is it that only the Democratic presidents end up being presidents of the whole country? How come Republican candidates only get to pretend they're presidents of the whole country and then push through their religionist, laissez-faire-capitalist, militarist agenda? How and why?

[ Parent ]
Pertinent question
How come Republican candidates only get to pretend they're presidents of the whole country and then push through their religionist, laissez-faire-capitalist, militarist agenda?

What do you think Obama's doing?

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


[ Parent ]
what I think
Last paragraph in this comment.
That is what I am seeing and hearing. And now Warren. At the same time, Bush was claiming he got the clear mandate to continue and screw America further. When I heard Obama's promise, I did not think he was saying "change back to Clinton administration." (If I wanted that, I would have voted for Hillary.)  

[ Parent ]
larry king nailed him on tv
GLBTQ
I want to throw something out here for us to look at as a community. our name LGBTQ Americans.... or GLBTQ Americans. I thkn we need to put this out there and embrace it because then we will not look like some group but what er all really are. an identity in America and a minority group in America.

I don't want to listen to Warren's invocation - it won't be inclusive
oh he will probably think he's made it inclusive - he may even talk about the compromise that he's made to include everyone and exclude and anger no one .... but this type of people never do that because they're so sure of the shoes that they are in, they never step into someone else's

Someone else who doesn't believe as he does.

I wanted to feel uplifted at the inauguration but I've seen far too many of Warren's ilk.  They don't and won't view this as an opportunity to heal wounds and bring the country together - they will view this chance as an opportunity for a world wide alter call.

I want know part of that, and I would rather the world, who has been so abused my the messianic Bush and his fundie legions (using our tax money to spread their message) not to see it.  They are hoping for change, Warren represents more of the same.


I think we all know by now
that Obama is a pragmatic centrist. Not a liberal. Fine. Not my cup of tea but you can be centrist and still hold fast on core progressive issues like LGBT equality. To me this includes promoting religious leaders that have an inclusive policy and shunning "family values" religious bigots  that don't. Obama fails at this.

It's great that Obama hires openly GLBT Americans and has a non-discrimination policy covering us. The Clinton administration was pretty good at that too. It's 2008 now. We expect more. We were kicked in the teeth by Prop 8. We sucked up Obama's tortured position on it to support his election. And then he rewards Warren's support of Prop 8.

What are we going to get? DADT? Nope. That's being dumped into committee for years and maybe after that he will "study" the findings. DOMA and ENDA are not on the radar screen. Would McCain be worse? Yes. But we as a community should not settle for the status quo for our struggle when his message was supposed to be change for all.


Relax!!!
HAAA  I love it!!   Remember folkswe got a great guy in there, please stop complaining!!  He is a politician!!!!      

I mean, look at this!!!!        www.shortershelflife.com

now that is a shot!!!


YOU relax
Personally, I'm feeling a lot of nostalgia for the good old days, when politicians used to wait till they were actually in office before going back on their campaign promises and sticking it to the people who voted for them.  Obama is bringing change in that way, at least.

I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights.  -Archbishop Desmond Tutu


[ Parent ]
Obama's Mediocrity
It's been said the Devil's greatest trick is making you think he doesn't exist.  I'm beginning to think Obama's greatest trick was convincing so many of us he was different.  I hope for a successful presidency because I care for my country, but I do not expect greatness.  The great beige hope appears to be an illusion - certainly for LGBT people, who might as well get used to living under the bus.

So much time under the bus,
  I have figured out where the most comfortable places are.  Winter time you snuggle up to the exaust pipe, very warm.  Although the heat exchanger for the heat system insn't bad either.  

 But what pisses me off.  Idiots that voted for McSame/Bible Spice are in the front seats inside the bus.

 I just hope that after the American Auto Industry is gone, Toyota and Nissan will make comfortable buses to be under.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.


[ Parent ]
My letter to the Inauguartion spokesbot
I am extremely disappointed that Rick Warren has been chosen to give the invocation at the Inauguration.  How can President Elect Obama believe that such a divisive person can in any way foster inclusion.  Mr. Warren is a unrepentant homophobe who stands against civil rights for a portion of the population.    Who has equated same sex relationships with Pedophilia and Incest. Who is against reproductive freedom and stem cell research.  

The statement by Linda Douglas, "This is going to be the most inclusive, open, accessible inauguration in American history." "The president-elect certainly disagrees with him on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender issues. But it has always been his goal to find common ground with people with whom you may disagree on some issues."  

So the President elect gives him a national stage, which in essence elevates his standing and validates his views?

With so many other religious figures who preach for equality like Rev. Joseph E. Lowery, how can choosing a known bigot foster equality?

What message does this send to the GLBT community?  

The choice of Warren smacks of pandering to the religious right, of which, most voted for Senator McCain.  It appears that it is more important for the new administration to cultivate a relationship with a segment of the population who did not support his election. The GLBT community gets thrown under the bus again for political expediency.  

I was going to be one of the millions on the Mall to witness and celebrate this historic Inauguration.  The choice of Warren is disrespectful to a community that wholeheartedly supported and embraced the Obama presidency. Now I will just stay home that day.

The choice of Warren does not speak "Change", it shouts "Same Old".


Actually, I would love it....
 if Rick Warren would get up there and use his few minutes of time to rant and rave his extremist views.  Let him call for our internment and extermination.  Might jolt a few people in the middle and right-leaning into reality!

I'll save my "I told you so"' for later. There's worse to come...
People are saying "This is unbelievable."

No, it's not. It's par for the course.  

Obama insured his election by reaffirming his bigot bona fides at Warren's Saddleback Forum. He did it by saying 'god's in the mix'. That brought our bigot voters by the hundreds of thousands who voted for him and for 8, 2, and 102. Obama's simply returning the favor Warren give him for an opening to a wider bigot vote base. It was probably a deal made at the time.  

Only gullible people, aka Obama voters, are shocked by this. For the rest of us it's all part of a pattern beginning with Obama's primary season revival meetings starring bigoted scum like MaryMary and McClurkin. Throughout the campaign his message was the same; "Love the sinner", i.e., no unnecessary constitutional amendments but "Hate the sinner", i.e., no right to get married because "god's in the mix" and 'he's' a bigot too and the law should mimic the bigots.

Obama and the Democrats are right centrists and will continue to provide us with proof of that after January 20th. People who support the Democrat Party support a party that panders to bigots, will enlarge the war and gives trillions to the uberrich. That's a right centrist agenda and those who support it are right centrists because they support it.

We got treated to another look at the undercarriage of the bigot bus and some of us gullibly helped another bigoted Democrat 'friend' get elected. So what else is new? But with Democrats like that who needs Republicans?

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I love parades, bands and bouncing pom pom bois as much as the next guy but I'm afraid I have to say that in this case they're being used as a fig leaf to cover the open sore of Obama's bigotry.  

The looter rich much prefer working with Democrats like Obama and the Clintons - they're greedier, they fool more people and they're able to get away with a lot more than Republicans.  


Saddleback is tax free
Another reason I don't file Federal Income taxes. Married in California but not allowed to file a Federal joint tax returns, while Warren's Saddleback church pays no tax.

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

inclusive?
I am upset that Obama did not invite the KKK to his inauguration event.  I mean, if we're going to go ahead and say bigots are a-ok, what's stopping him?

We should send them an invitation
Think they'll march with the LGBT band? We have to be inclusive, after all!

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

[ Parent ]
both symbolism and policy matter
It's not an either/or situation, for those of you who think that the criticism of Obama's selection of Warren is unwarranted or overheated. Yeah, you're always going to have the flamethrowers out there ("why did I vote for him", the "see, I told you sos")

When I was on the Glenn Greenwald podcast this AM (I'll link up once it's online with the transcript), I said I was surprised at Obama's move given the history with McClurkin, and how he and his folks have two left feet when it comes to the LGBT community on the PR front. This is odd for a group of people who are politically savvy in almost every other sphere. I mean damn, did no one there make a connection with the proximity of the passage of Prop 8 to Warren's support for it as a problem?

Glenn also asked me what Obama could do to show good faith in the wake of this -- since we all know that Warren will deliver the invocation -- and I said the bottom line is that he must advocate for the policies that have been languishing -- DADT, ENDA, hate crimes, etc. Not just say he will sign them, but use his bully pulpit to publicly advocate for these civil rights extensions. That to me would more than make up for this Warren BS.

My main beef is giving any power to Warren and that has been done with this move. He is now supplanted Dobson as the go to broker for evangelicals. I'm sure that Dobson is apesh*t mad, since he hates Warren for his tree-hugging ways.

BTW, I've just learned that Obama held a press conference and was asked about the Warren dustup, and he gave a less-than-satisfactory answer. I guess he really didn't think people would be upset with this choice? Not just LGBTs, mind you, but folks who believe in reproductive freedom, science and separation of church and state?


Pam
How do you like this - Focus on the Family!


[ Parent ]
OK with FOF Invite
Just as I was OK with the SaddleBack Church Forum. A candidate cannot ignore any potential constituency and a President cannot ignore any segment of the population. If the FOF people want to clean up roadways or deliver toys to needy kids, they should go right ahead. Getting those types of groups to actually participate in society, rather than just sitting back and criticizing it, is one of the best ways to change minds.

That being said, Obama's team simply screwed up on this Warren invitation. They decided to be inclusive, and picked the wrong guy, probably because Obama knows him and is personally comfortable with him. Giving Warren a place of a honor is a problem not only because he is against full equality for LGBT people, but because he is part of an organized movement to demean, dehumanize, denigrate and slander LGBT people. Obama has a policy difference with the LGBT community regarding marriage (e.g., what is the best way to ensure equality); Warren is an avowed enemy of LGBT people, which is the distinction Obama just doesn't seem to get here.

I think Pam is right on with her comment, though. We aren't going to get rid of Warren (although I do think an LGBT "zap" aimed at Warren during inaugural weekend, maybe something witty - like somehow tricking him into eating dinner at Annie's Steakhouse, pretty much ground zero of hip gay DC - would be a good move), but we should be pushing for clear policy directives from Obama regarding LGBT-oriented legislation. It would also be a good idea, as I noted elsewhere, to appoint the lesbian candidate to Labor Secretary and the gay candidate to Secretary of the Navy (the latter would be a HUGE hello to the LGBT community).  


[ Parent ]
insurance
So, will the national medical insurance cover reparative/conversion therapy or as I like to call it "pray-away-the-gay?"

[ Parent ]
why did Rachel do a puff piece treatment on this?
I don't get it. Look at the contrast to Anderson Cooper's coverage, who really did "dig deep" with a good, meaty debate last night between Hilary Rosen, Roland Martin and Robert Zimmerman.

I have the video and transcript up on my latest post:
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/...


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You expected Rachel to give this serious time?
Frankly, I was surprised she gave it the whopping 40 seconds that she did. Right after Aretha Franklin in her pop culture segment, of course.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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Maddow tends to disappoint these days
I expected slightly better from Maddow. I guess she did not feel it was enough of a slap on the face.

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"it's a nice billboard to all of the gay people in america who supported barack obama that he's anti-gay marriage"
Yeah, not smug at all, not even a teensy weensy bit...

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Benediction
I am outraged over the choice of Rick Warren to do the invocation. But the benediction will be done by Joseph Lowry, an LGBT ally who has fought for gay and straight civil rights for years.

Oh so many years ago when I took a public speaking class we were taught that the beginning catches the audience attention but the ending is what people remember.

I see this as an interesting religious line-up. Start with the (same old / same old) religious wrong homobigot. End the festivities (and begin a new presidency) with a progressive civil rights for all ally.

You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can't make him think.  


DON'T LET UP
hey guys...the last time Obama did this with Donnie Ex-Gay McClurkin we let him get away with it...we can't do it again...fool me once-shame on me...fool me twice-shame on OBAMA...keep up the pressure and let them know how badly they have messed up...they think we will shut up and get in line...I NEVER WILL!

Hurray
Hurray for Obama, and hurray for Pastor Warren. There is hope!  

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