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Dobson Caves to Evangelicals Who Call Glenn Beck a Cultist

by: Chino Blanco

Fri Dec 26, 2008 at 06:40:31 AM EST


x-posted from Stop The Mormons

Admittedly, I got busy with the holidays and fell behind in my reading at some of my favorite websites.  I figured I could bookmark, spend a couple days getting reacquainted with the wife and kids, and then catch up later.  

Later was apparently too late:

No longer available?  Now that's disappointing.

What happened?  

Chino Blanco :: Dobson Caves to Evangelicals Who Call Glenn Beck a Cultist
After the success of the Evangelical-Mormon lovefest otherwise known as Prop 8, I was really looking forward to reading what Glenn Beck might write over at James Dobson's place.  Would Glenn use the opportunity to ask Dr. Dobson about that time back in 2004 when Dobson's wife, Shirley, excluded Mormons from the National Day of Prayer?  And would Glenn suggest that maybe, in the afterglow of Prop 8, now was a good time for Dr. Dobson to offer an apology to Mormons for not letting them use the word "Christian" to describe themselves?  And would it be an apology as heartfelt as the one that Beck delivered to Dobson on-air in 2007?  And, considering how successful the Mormons were at helping the Evangelicals keep the word "marriage" all to themselves out in California, would Dr. Dobson perhaps finally be moved to graciously begin sharing the "C" word with the Mormons?  I mean, Beck and Dobson are both good "Christians" right?  

The potential was there for an absolutely riveting read.

So, what happened?

Well, it turns out that apparently Dr. Dobson has agreed that the "C" word does apply to Mormons.  The problem now is that it's that other "C" word.  See if you can spot it while I try to sort out the story behind this gripping tale of a dead link.

December 19:  A story goes up on Focus on the Family's CitizenLink website promoting Mormon TV host Glenn Beck's latest book, "The Christmas Sweater."

Later that same day, a Christian blogger pens a brief diary under the title Focus on the Family Embraces Mormonism.

December 21: Another Christian blogger weighs in, this time in a post titled Focus on the Family Implicitly Affirms Mormonism that includes this advice:

I strongly discourage you from giving money to any religious organization that is so committed to a social agenda that they are willing to ignore the vast difference between biblical Christianity and the cult of Mormonism ... When Christians yoke up with unbelievers in order to promote a common social agenda, we display a gross lack of discernment, feed religious pluralism, and end up doing all kinds of wierd [sic] and sinful things in hopes of restoring the Andy Griffith moralism of the 1950s ...

December 22: A press release goes out over the ChristianNewsWire announcing that Focus on the Family Promotes Mormon Glenn Beck at CitizenLink and that:

Clearly, Mormonism is a cult. The CitizenLink story does not mention Beck's Mormon faith, however, the story makes it look as if Beck is a Christian who believes in the essential doctrines of the faith ... to promote a Mormon as a Christian is not helpful to the cause of Jesus Christ. For Christians to influence society, Christians should be promoting the central issues of the faith properly without opening the door to false religions.

Later that same day, John Schroeder, the Christian half of the Evangelical-Mormon blogging duo over at Article VI responds with Embarrassed By My Brethren ... and writes:

This move [promoting Glenn Beck] by the Dobson organization should be applauded loudly and long.  Nobody can swing more evangelical votes than James Dobson - NOBODY. ... Of course, if we are lucky, this blog will be the only outlet in the world to pay attention to this press release [slamming Dobson's promotion of Beck on the CitizenLink site].

December 24: No such luck.  And our unlucky Article VI blogger, noticing that the Glenn Beck article has been pulled off the CitizenLink website, posts this woeful update:  ARRGH!:

... the Dobson organization has caved ...

The absolute worst part is that in California we have just witnessed what is possible if Mormons and Evangelicals and Catholics unite politically - so how does the leading Evangelical public figure (although Dobson is rapidly being supplanted in that role by Pastor Warren) respond?  By caving to the slighest pressure from a few grossly over-zealous types.  Which does what?  It weakens an already very weak and formative bridge between.

Shame on the Dobson organization.


Wow.

And now I'm wondering why they even need two bloggers over at Article VI?  John Schroeder's obviously got serious talent when it comes to generating a passionate debate with himself:

Nobody can swing more evangelical votes than James Dobson!  Dobson is yesterday's news, all hail Rick Warren!  The Dobson organization should be applauded loudly and long!  Shame on the Dobson organization!

Ouch.

And now that Dobson has scrubbed his site of Beck's Mormon taint, it'll be interesting to watch and see if Lowell Brown (the Mormon half of Article VI) has anything more to say on the subject.  What say you, Lowell?  For all your hard work on Prop 8, what gift were Mormons like yourself hoping to receive from Evangelicals who consider yours a false religion and your church a cult?  

Whatever it was, you need to wake up and go check your Christmas stocking:  Santa Dobson has done delivered your lump of coal.  

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UPDATE:
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Beck bites back:

The Christmas Sweater is a story about the idea of Christmas as a time for redemption and atonement. Whatever your beliefs about my religion, the concept of religious tolerance is too important to be sacrificed in response to pressure from special interest groups, especially when it means bowing to censorship. I'm humbled and grateful that hundreds of thousands of people from different faiths have read the book and have appreciated its uplifting message for themselves. At a time when the world is so full of fear, despair, and divisions, it is my hope that all of those who believe in a loving and peaceful God would stand together on the universal message of hope and forgiveness.  
-glenn
That's gonna leave a mark.

Chino Blanco

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They team up with the evangelicals and reactionary Catholics...
...on a project of legal exclusion of people they don't approve of, and now they're surprised when the evangelicals continue the same behavior with a new target?  Really, the Mormons should have seen this one coming -- when people who hate you are willing to team up with you to attack someone else, you don't seriously expect them not to turn on you.

didn't we hear from that orthodox jewish blogger
during the campaign that the same thing was happening between his religious group and the talibangicals?  so this news is not too surprising, but no less welcome! :)

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awww
The absolute worst part is that in California we have just witnessed what is possible if Mormons and Evangelicals and Catholics unite politically

Yes we certainly have. And it's nothing to be proud of.

Really though, Dobson, Beck, both are scum.


C'mon evangelicals..now tell what you really think...
..about Catholics? Are they saved? Are they going to heaven?

Tell us, please.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid


Please. No more "Beck's Mormon taint".
It's an image I just can't scrub from my mind, especially after his far too-much-information tales of his hemorrhoid surgery.

Ah, Mormons.  Mormon:Evangelical::Gay:Democrat.  The latter are more than glad to wring out support from the former, the former are more than desperate for the power of the latter, but when the rubber meets the road, it's usually tires of the latter's bus running over the former.

Mormons at this point are like the mistress who is surprised when she catches the man cheating.  He was cheating on his wife when he met you?  What did you expect?  Mormons, just because you and Evangelicals and Catholics all share the same warped interpretation of God's view of gay people doesn't mean they'd look past that book of yours, "Jesus II: Mormon Boogaloo".

"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson


Talibangelicals (love that term!)
Don't view Catholics as Christians either.  They pretty much don't view anyone except themselves as Christian.  They're no better than those they seek to exclude.

But what I don't understand is they don't define any criteria for what makes one a Christian.  They don't even define what makes one an evangelical!  Yet they define only "evangelicals" as true christians.   Seems like all too easy an out for them.  Seems like a bunch of BS.

Maybe the "evanglical movement" (lack of capitalization intentional) is a movement based on BS and hypocrisy.

PT Barnum would have been proud of them!


Baptists
My x-father-in-law, who was raised a catholic and is now a fundamentalist baptist, had said on several occasions that one of the reasons that catholics  aren't real christians is because they worship idols by praying to the saints for intercession instead of praying directly to Jesus.  The church that he attends follows the Dobson dictates pretty closely, and I must tell you that I've never heard as much hate speech as I did coming from the pulpit of that church.  They denounce everyone who does not believe like them.

Poor Glen
Got screwed and didn't even get dinner out of the deal.

Dena

Cisgender. Because "Genetic" (or non) is so 2006.


...we display a gross lack of discernment, feed religious pluralism, ...
Religious pluralism, one of the greater near accomplishments of this country, just over this hill we're coming back down, they see as an evil.  This atheist see's it as a good.  If it's a culture war they want ...

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