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Otherwise Excellent Frank Rich Column Marred By Prop 8 Zombie Meme

by: Mad Professah

Sun Dec 28, 2008 at 13:01:57 PM EST


In today's New York Times, Frank Rich mars an otherwise-excellent column ("You’re Likable Enough, Gay People") by repeating what Pam Spaulding has labelled "the meme that will not die" (or zombie meme) that Black Californians voted 70% for Proposition 8, thus enabling the heterosexual supremacist initiative to be enacted.

Rich commits his faux pas in an absolutely amazing column in which he captures the root of the somewhat hysterical response by progressives and LGBTs to the Rick Warren inauguration invocation invitation (say that three times fast!) while he simultaneously updates his readers on the latest flashpoints in the kulturkampf (Warren being attacked by both pro-LGBT and anti-LGBT people, evangelical leader who was demoted for supporting civil unions, Focus on the Family laying off workers after massive donations in support of Proposition 8 and Sean Penn in Milk) and quotes three openly LGBT people (U.S. Representative Barney Frank, Bishop Gene Robinson and Harvard professor Timothy McCarthy) smacking Obama. It is a masterful column and deserves to be read in its entirety. Do that now, then come back and read my commentary on it!

 

Mad Professah :: Otherwise Excellent Frank Rich Column Marred By Prop 8 Zombie Meme
As we saw during primary season, our president-elect is not free of his own brand of hubris and arrogance, and sometimes it comes before a fall: “You’re likable enough, Hillary” was the prelude to his defeat in New Hampshire. He has hit this same note again by assigning the invocation at his inauguration to the Rev. Rick Warren, the Orange County, Calif., megachurch preacher who has likened committed gay relationships to incest, polygamy and “an older guy marrying a child.”

Bestowing this honor on Warren was a conscious — and glib — decision by Obama to spend political capital. It was made with the certitude that a leader with a mandate can do no wrong. [...] There’s no reason why Obama shouldn’t return the favor by inviting him to Washington. But there’s a difference between including Warren among the cacophony of voices weighing in on policy and anointing him as the inaugural’s de facto pope.

You can’t blame V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, the first openly gay Episcopal bishop and an early Obama booster, for feeling as if he’d been slapped in the face. “I’m all for Rick Warren being at the table,” he told The Times, but “we’re talking about putting someone up front and center at what will be the most-watched inauguration in history, and asking his blessing on the nation. And the God that he’s praying to is not the God that I know.”

[...]

Unlike Bush, Obama has been the vocal advocate of gay civil rights he claims to be. It is over the top to assert, as a gay writer at Time did, that the president-elect is “a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot.” Much more to the point is the astute criticism leveled by the gay Democratic congressman Barney Frank, who, in dissenting from the Warren choice, said of Obama, “I think he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences.” That’s a polite way of describing the Obama cockiness. It will take more than the force of the new president’s personality and eloquence to turn our nation into the United States of America he and we all want it to be.

[...]

The success of Proposition 8 in California was a serious shock to gay Americans and to all the rest of us who believe that all marriages should be equal under the law. The roles played by African-Americans (who voted 70 percent in favor of Proposition 8) and by white Mormons (who were accused of bankrolling the anti-same-sex-marriage campaign) only added to the morning-after recriminations. And that was in blue California. In Arkansas, voters went so far as to approve a measure forbidding gay couples to adopt.

There is comparable anger and fear on the right. David Brody, a political correspondent with the Christian Broadcasting Network, was flooded with e-mails from religious conservatives chastising Warren for accepting the invitation to the inaugural. They vilified Obama as “pro-death” and worse because of his support for abortion rights. Stoking this rage, no doubt, is the dawning realization that the old religious right is crumbling — in part because Warren’s new generation of leaders departs from the Falwell-Robertson brand of zealots who have had a stranglehold on the G.O.P.

It’s a sign of the old establishment’s panic that the Rev. Richard Cizik, known for his leadership in addressing global warming, was pushed out of his executive post at the National Association of Evangelicals this month. Cizik’s sin was to tell Terry Gross of NPR that he was starting to shift in favor of civil unions for gay couples. Cizik’s ouster won’t halt the new wave he represents. As he also told Gross, young evangelicals care less and less about the old wedge issues and aren’t as likely to base their votes on them.

On gay rights in particular, polls show that young evangelicals are moving in Cizik’s (and the country’s) direction and away from what John McCain once rightly called “the agents of intolerance.” It’s not a coincidence that Dobson’s Focus on the Family, which spent more than $500,000 promoting Proposition 8, has now had to lay off 20 percent of its work force in Colorado Springs. But we’re not there yet. Warren’s defamation of gay people illustrates why, as does our president-elect’s rationalization of it. When Obama defends Warren’s words by calling them an example of the “wide range of viewpoints” in a “diverse and noisy and opinionated” America, he is being too cute by half. He knows full well that a “viewpoint” defaming any minority group by linking it to sexual crimes like pedophilia is unacceptable.

It is even more toxic in a year when that group has been marginalized and stripped of its rights by ballot initiatives fomenting precisely such fears. “You’ve got to give them hope” was the refrain of the pioneering 1970s gay politician Harvey Milk, so stunningly brought back to life by Sean Penn on screen this winter. Milk reminds us that hope has to mean action, not just words.

[...]

McCarthy added that it’s also time “for President-elect Obama to start acting on the promises he made to the LGBT community during his campaign so that he doesn’t go down in history as another Bill Clinton, a sweet-talking swindler who would throw us under the bus for the sake of political expediency.” And “for LGBT folks to choose their battles wisely, to judge Obama on the content of his policy-making, not on the character of his ministers.” Amen. Here’s to humility and equanimity everywhere in America, starting at the top, as we negotiate the fierce rapids of change awaiting us in the New Year.

First, I want to thank Allah for what a supportive ally LGBT people have in Frank Rich! Not only does he get to the crux of the issues with this column, but he gives three prominent openly gay men access to the Sunday New York Times op-ed page to promote their sound-bites and all three deliver. Kudos!

(Were any of you surprised or disappointed by my reference to "Allah" in the above sentence? That's my tongue-in-cheek reference to a deity for no apparent reason (similar to what we will shortly be seeing repeatedly as award season heats up in the beginning of the year) that I hope highlights the incongruity of faith. Why should Robinson and Warren be praying to the same God? Is that the same God that Osama bin Laden and George W. Bush and Barack Obama are praying to? Reading I Don't Believe In Atheists over the last week has tipped me further along the agnostic-atheist spectrum.)

However, my main focus of this post is trying to (again) plunge a rhetorical stake through the heart of the undead idea that Black people were responsible for Proposition 8 passing. Rich links to a November 6th New York Times article "Bans In 3 States on Gay Marriage" written by Jesse McKinley and Laurie Goodstein which promulgates the dubious exit poll number of 70 percent African American support for Proposition 8. MadProfessah has seen multiple documents which reference other polls that put this number as closer to 56-58% African American support, which although still higher than any other ethnic or racial group in California is clearly not in the asshole range of Republicans or weekly churchgoers (80+% Proposition 8 support). Rich ends his piece calling for "humility and equanimity" that will be required of all of us in order to enact the "change we can believe in" next year.

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Frank RIch
It was very comforting to read a OP ED in the NYT calling Obama on his very devisive and tone deaf choice of Warren to give the inaugural invocation.

It is clear from the hundreds of comments regarding this particular OP ED in the NYT and posted at the Huffington Post that there are many Democrats and Obama supporters who think that it is a non issue and perfectly acceptable to embrace a bigot such as Warren.

I get a strong sense that many on the left are getting quite defensive defending both Obama and his choice for Warren.  Clear evidence that we are doing our job by keeping such issues on the front burner.

As far as Rich mentioning "The roles played by African-Americans (who voted 70 percent in favor of Proposition 8)" it is only relevant because Obama could have very easily spoke out forcibly against Proposition 8 which he did not do. This would have gone a very long way to change minds in this demographic.  it is not wrong to call Obama out on this but I agree that it is wrong to blame the passage of Prop 8 on the backs of the AA community.  

vanhattan


Obama did speak out against Prop 8
No on 8 campaign did not put Obama's statement in their ad buys.  

This was a tone deaf campaign.  You have a popular presidential candidate in California and don't use his support of your cause!!!???

The upside is it was a great learning experience and seems to have awakened both cynical (I don't do politics because it doesn't matter.) LGBTQ folks and those who relied completely upon the top-down focus-group message control organizations that have dominated LGBTQ politics for decades.  


[ Parent ]
Obama gets no love on Prop 8. None.
Dan.  It's wonderful that Obama said he was against Prop 8.  But can you please give me one instance where he didn't either say directly before or after that he is against gay marriage?  What kind of message did he send each and ever time he mentioned it?  Rachel Maddow was correct on her radio show when she said that Obama has to answer to that.

The No on 8 campaign was a failure, but so was Obama AND the Democrats.  I'm not sure why you feel he deserves a pass.


[ Parent ]
Seems crazy to me
President Elect Obama was heard by millions of viewers in the Rick Warren debate that he was against gay marriage. "God is in the Mix" That's what the voters heard.  Rick Warren ran ads 24/7 with images of Obama and McCain both saying they did not support gay marriage.
Obama then said he was not for Prop 8, which didn't make sense as Prop 8 was also against gay marriage.

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

[ Parent ]
You are far too forgiving
He didn't lift a pinky before the election, nor since, to advocate for equal rights for gays and lesbians.

[ Parent ]
THANKS Frank Rich
that's what friends are for

What have you done today, to make ya feel PROUD?


~Heather Small


Thanks for this post!
Agreed; the majority of this piece was wonderfully done and I'm glad to see it get attention here...

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

Here are my own thoughts on the column:
David, very interesting blog
David.  I thought your blog link was very interesting.  It's good to read so many different views on the article.

[ Parent ]
Merci!
This is NOT going away.

Ever.


[ Parent ]
Maybe he shouldn't have brought it up, but I don't think he was advocating blaming black people for anything.


I didn't get he was blaming either.
I think he was just stating what the followup reaction was.

[ Parent ]
What about the rest of CNN poll?
It is unfortunate that Rich revives the CNN exit poll without caveat.  I think its even more unfortunate that one more time there is attention paid to only one part of that poll.  As long as a finger can be pointed at blacks, then there is no need to look further?

I think not.

We knew there would be difficulties in obtaining support from communities of color and that was guaranteed by the way the NO on 8 campaign avoided acknowledgment of the racial makeup of LGBTs.  That omission was a very stupid and mean thing to do.

I'd like to know why there are so many self identified liberals and Democrats that supported Prop 8.  Could someone please make an attempt at tackling that issue?  If we can't rely on the people that we regard as our allies to support our citizenship, then why would we expect anyone else to overcome cognitive dissonance?  

Something like 20% of liberals and 40% Democrats voted in favor of Prop 8.  Those people need to be held accountable too.  It's here...at the very bottom:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20...

Thanks Frank Rich for at least coming close to addressing our real foes - our "friends."


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It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


ENJOY THE PARTY....
Like this one a lot.

Like everyone else, I've had Barack up on a pedestal since about the time of the Rev. Wright incident.

Unlike everyone else, he's stayed on that pedestal for me.

As he builds a centrist base and a simply outstanding team, both in terms of smarts and clout, I have full faith that he will unleash this team on the side of intellectual and ethical rectitude as soon as - and forgive the crassness - the idiots and bigots either get on the bus or get the heck out of the way.

Frankly, the current politicization and denominalization of this issue is blowing my mind. Anyone who has a gay cousin, child, or colleague - and has observed the pain and anxiety of that individual when they thought they were still closeted, and the tentativeness and anxiety with which they come out - should know better. This is as much about civil rights as is race.

We've all seen Obama take in a wide range of views, and then come down on the side of the - in retrospect - obvious right position.

Get used to it. It's going to continue to happen.

That's my current faith. Rev. Warren. Enjoy the party.
- W in the Middle, New York State



It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.


[ Parent ]
the misnomer and lie of 70%...
the pundit, reporter or idiot who coined the idea that 70% of African-Americans in California voted for Proposition 8 needs to have his grade lowered to an F in his/her statistics classes.

it's been reported inaccurately for one major reason: the statistic as stated indicates that 70% of all African-Americans in California voted for Prop 8. it should read 70% of African-Americans voting on November 4th voted for Prop 8. this is a big difference.

African-Americans make up approximately 7% of the total population of California.

African-Americans made up approximately 10% of the total number of voters who voted on Nov 4th.

to bolster the myth and misnomer that Pam and others have so rightly pointed out, the numbers could not have made the difference in the passing of Prop 8.

the accountability should lay in the laps of the white, evangelical christianists and the Latino catholics. they, along with the aid of the overly-funded religious campaign, share the responsibility for the passage of Prop 8.

a thought that i have had since this entire debacle regarding the African-American vote and Prop 8 began has been the idea that this message was planted or planned by specific group(s). it's not entirely impossible that it was put into place to drive further wedges between the Black and LGBTQ communities.

i mean, i'm just asking if it's a possibility...


"it should read 70% of African-Americans voting"
not even that, actually.  it was 70% of a-a responding to an exit poll at a few polling stations which were not representative of the whole state, race-wise.

Lurleen on Twitter

[ Parent ]
"it's not entirely impossible that it was put into place to drive further wedges between the Black and LGBTQ communities. "
this has crossed my mind too.  but i think the most likely explanation is that it was simply a fluke of a non-statistical exit poll which people were all too happy to accept at face value because it fed into their fears/biases/anger or was easy to use as a wedge issue, as you mention.

Lurleen on Twitter

[ Parent ]
"it should read 70% of African-Americans voting"
Isn't that kind of a given, though? Wouldn't you have to be pretty stupid to think every single black person in California voted?

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