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Gene Robinson invited to deliver prayer at one of the inaugural events

by: Pam Spaulding

Mon Jan 12, 2009 at 11:00:00 AM EST


Too bad he's not replacing Rick Warren on January 20. Bishop Robinson will deliver the invocation prayer at an inaugural event on Sunday afternoon on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
New Hampshire Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, an outspoken, international gay rights leader, has been asked to give a prayer at one of President-elect Barack Obama's first inauguration events at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.

The announcement follows weeks of criticism from Robinson and gay-rights groups over Obama's decision to tap the Rev. Rick Warren, who's likened committed gay relationships to incest and polygamy, to pray on inauguration day.

Robinson, an early Obama supporter, said last month the choice of Warren left him feeling as if he'd been slapped in the face. In a telephone interview this weekend, Robinson, of Weare, said he doesn't believe Obama has included him in response to the Warren criticism. But he said his inclusion won't go unnoticed by the gay and lesbian community.

"It's important for any minority to see themselves represented in some way," Robinson said. "Whether it be a racial minority, an ethnic minority or, in our case, a sexual minority. Just seeing someone like you up front matters."

Warren, author and high-profile pastor of a California mega-church, will still give the invocation at the Jan. 20 inauguration, shortly before Obama delivers his much-anticipated inaugural address.  

Comment from HRC:
"Bishop Robinson models what prayer should be-spiritual reflection put into action for justice," said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. "It is encouraging that the president-elect has chosen this spiritual hero for all Americans to lead the nation in prayer at the Lincoln Memorial inaugural concert."
More info about the event Robinson is invited to from the inaugural committee. It's called "We Are One: The Obama Inaugural Celebration At The Lincoln Memorial."
The special will be executive produced by George Stevens, Jr. (The Kennedy Center Honors), and produced by Don Mischer (Olympic Ceremonies) who will also direct the special, and Michael Stevens (The American Film Institute Salutes) who is also writing the special, and will be a production of The Stevens Company in association with Don Mischer Productions.

Musical performers scheduled for the event include Beyonce, Mary J. Blige, Bono, Garth Brooks, Sheryl Crow, Renee Fleming, Josh Groban, Herbie Hancock, Heather Headley, John Legend, Jennifer Nettles, John Mellencamp, Usher Raymond IV, Shakira, Bruce Springsteen, James Taylor, will.i.am, and Stevie Wonder.  Among those reading historical passages will be Jamie Foxx, Martin Luther King III, Queen Latifah and Denzel Washington.  The Rt. Reverend V. Gene Robinson will give the invocation.  Rob Mathes will be the music director and arranger for the backing band, which will support all of the artists.  Additional performers will be announced as they are confirmed.

UPDATE: Freeper reaction below the fold.

UPDATE 2: Bill Donohue of the Catholic League is having a cow. His bleatings after the jump as well.

Pam Spaulding :: Gene Robinson invited to deliver prayer at one of the inaugural events

Actual Freeper Quotes

We must appease those who pervert, right?

It doesn't matter to me. I won't be listening, watching or in any way participating in the "festivities". Perversion and apostacy is clearly OK with this incoming administration.

I think he was misquoted here. He is part of the "hole nation".

Never play chess with an Episcopalian - they can't tell a bishop from a queen.

This is clearly a pander to his "GLBT" base because of the Rick Warren thing.

Not smart. Instead of being seen as inclusive, he's going to wind up offending everybody.

It is encouraging that the president-elect has chosen this spiritual hero for all Americans Hell and Death, this is bad.

America has turned her back on Christ and God is turning His back on us.

It is incredible to me that Bishop Gene identifies more with his "GLBT" base than with Jesus!

I will be careful not to be especially Christian in my prayer. No danger of that since he isn't one anyway!

He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

This is sick.

Yeah, "special," and perverted...

If a heterosexual father of two young daughters left his wife for a newer, younger sex partner, and proundly boasted about that decision, I doubt there would be much support for promoting the adulterer to the position of Bishop. However, since Robinson left his wife for another man, the Episcopal leadership decided that his promotion would represent "diversity".

It's a shame the church didn't consider following Jesus to be as relevant as political correctness in choosing a leader: In a well known passage from Matthew 19, Jesus said, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." While Robinson didn't quite marry another woman, I think Jesus's stance on the issue can be inferred from these words.

His comments speak volumes to me for where his heart and faith really are and they obviously aren't in GOD! For him as a bishop to push his gay agenda is just sickening to me. I just don't get why we are supposed to be so accepting of their beliefs but they aren't of ours...and loudly and repeatedly say so at every opportunity. They keep pushing for equality at the expense of everyone else's. His comments only inflame the situation even more and he can't even see that. They want to voice their gayness loudly and openly while we are supposed to keep our opinion to ourselves.

If he isn't going to say a Christian prayer, then what's the point?

Here goes panties-in-a-wad Bill Donohue:
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments today on the selection of Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson to offer a prayer at an inaugural event next week:

"President-elect Barack Obama says he wants to unite Americans, and yet he chooses the most polarizing person in the Episcopal Church, Bishop Gene Robinson, to offer a prayer at one of his inaugural events. Robinson, who dumped his wife and children to live with another man, is not just an embarrassment to rank-and-file Episcopalians, he has a record of offending Catholics, as well.

"In 2005, Robinson said the following: 'I find it so vile that they [the Catholic Church] think they are going to end the child abuse scandal by throwing out homosexuals from seminaries. It is an act of violence that needs to be confronted.' He added that 'Pope Ratzinger [sic] may be the best thing that ever happened to the Episcopal Church. We are seeing so many Roman Catholics joining the church.'

"Three months ago, the disgraced openly gay bishop admitted that he had led a retreat a few years ago for gay Catholic priests. He stuck his nose into the affairs of the Catholic Church even further when he urged those priests to push for women priests, saying 'that if you work for the ordination of women in your church, you will go a long way toward opening the door for the acceptance of gay priests.'

"In other words, Obama has chosen a man who offends Catholics as much as he does Protestants. If that's his idea of inclusion, he can keep it. The only saving grace is that Robinson says he will not use a Bible next week. It would be news if he did."

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Threw us a crumb!
"Please, sir, I want some more"

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don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls


Rofl, Hypatia
That is exactly what was done. For those who thought that our objection would not get anything, we did get Reverend Robinson, the mere mention fo whose name is enough to give the freepers and Donohole apoplexy

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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Doesn't make up for Warren
This is another attempt at balancing like Rev Sidden with homophobic ex-gay Donnie McClurkin and it fails on its face. Again the homophobe is given top billing and the gay/gay-positive speaker is relegated to a minor role who's off stage long before people are able to notice he was even there. In so far as GLBT people are concerned it seems the only thing Obama is willing to give us are slaps to the face followed by perfunctory, token acknowledgements of "I know you exist, but don't give a damn about you."

He's not even trying
to make it up to us.  He just needs to put up enough of a show of support to not lose the sympathetic straight people.

[ Parent ]
Giving him Rick Warren's spot...
would impress me.   This is not so impressive.

Pres. Obama better damn well be there to hear him, or I will be singularly unimpressed.

Hate stops a beating heart.


He will.
Obama will not only be there to hear him, but will also be speaking at the same event.

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem

[ Parent ]
Even sadder
is that Bishop Robinson was and is an Obama supporter, while FatAss McHawaiianShirt ... wasn't.  

something, but not enough
As an Episcopalian and a long-time supporter of Bishop Robinson, I am glad that his voice will be included in the inaugural week events.

However, I also agree with other posters that it is not enough to make up for the selection of Rick Warren to lead the invocation at the inauguration itself. I wish that Bishop Robinson was replacing Rick Warren entirely. But imagine the uproar from the fundies!

Anyway, this still seems like a small bright spot, at least to me.  


Robinson would be a fantastic choice
instead of Warren. Glad he's there in some capacity though.

come on People, be serious.
While Warren was not a good pick, how would it be if a President caved in to the demands of a group.  After the brouhaha about Warren happened, the president elect spoke out about his support for LGBT rights.

Now that it's come out that Robinson is speaking, people are still not happy.  Granted, all the speakers at all the events should have been announced on the same day, it didn't and now people think Obama's trying to "make-up" to the gay community.

He is the president of the whole country.  The Republicans only govern to their supporters but that's what makes us Democrats.  We WANT everyone to be fairly treated.


Oh, shut up.
After the brouhaha about Warren happened, the president elect spoke out about his support for LGBT rights.

Endorsing a standard of "separate but equal" is NOT support for a person's rights. Obama is a liar and a hypocrite. As a Constitutional Law scholar, he knows full well what his duty to the law is. He's just choosing to ignore it because hating queers is still socially acceptable, he wants to be liked, and his religion says it's okay. Which is why he's pandering to the Far Wrong by kissing the ring of Pharisee McMoney-Driven Life.

Oooo, look, President-Elect Separate-But-Equal asked Gene Robinson to give an invocation at a ceremony no one will attend on a holiday weekend! Oooo, he moved queers from UNDER the bus to the BACK of the bus! Wow, think he'll let us redecorate? The curtains are looking a mite shabby after all these years.


God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
No, I won't "shut up"
What happened to being tolerant?

Am I offended about Rick Warren?  Yes, I wish he wasn't preaching.  Do I blame Obama? Yes but Rick Warren is not writing policy.  I'll reserve my judgement when Obama starts putting together policy decisions that hold back minority groups.

I am proud to say that I am glad that we will have a president who is smarter than me and no I won't lie under the bus if he tries to run over me with it, but we have to wait until that day happens.  An invocation does not a presidency make.

I live in Massachusetts where I am not separate but equal.  I stood at the state house for each constitutional convention and stood side by side with religious zealots who were praying over me and my husband.

and in case you missed it, the Obama team gave an loud YES, this past weekend, that they would repeal DADT.


[ Parent ]
Whoopie
I live in Massachusetts where I am not separate but equal.  I stood at the state house for each constitutional convention and stood side by side with religious zealots who were praying over me and my husband.

Well, isn't that just peachy keen for you.

Though, on a serious note, congratulations are in order. Seventeen ConCons and counting is not easy, and the asshats will only keep coming.

That said, YOU can be "tolerant" of people who want to see you jailed, deported, assaulted, or killed with impunity. Don't forget that Rick Warren's ilk are the ones funding MassResistance. The rest of us will continue fighting to see that these exclusionary fucks who endorse violence against us are silenced through education and a good stiff dose of "not in my country you don't, fuckneck."

As for DADT, and anything else regarding queers and PE Separate-But-Equal, I'll believe it when I see it.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
No It's not "peachy keen" for me
I bust my ass everyday for LGBT equality (I'm not looking for applause just stating fact since you don't know me).
I am on the front lines and yes, I follow MassResistance and because of people like me, they are exposed for crackpots they are. But we do have others here in Massachusetts too only MR are the ones who stick out.

We need to pick our battles and this is not one of them.  While we shouldn't forget that Obama invited Warren we should rejoice that Robinson is going to be there.

One of the things we've learned in Mass is that everyone has to tell their story and you need to get people to listen to you.  If you yell and scream at the ones who oppose you how are you ever going to get them to hear you?  Those are the people you need to reach and change their minds.  


[ Parent ]
I expected whining, and wasn't disappointed.
Keori...

... would you be happy if Obama just rounded up all the homophobes -- and intolerant religious nutjobs, and uh, I don't know, fill in the blank with all the people YOU don't like -- and shipped them off to Guantanamo??!

Geeeez.  "Warren's head on a platter," nothing less will do seems to be the general buzz amongst my sadly intolerant and short sighted brethren.  The fact that the right is all in a tizzy over this pick (matching the hissy-fit you all threw over Warren) means nothing.  

Is it equal?  No. Warren's clearly got the better gig. But our community should consider itself lucky to get anything considering the utterly puerile [and sometimes disgusting] behavior we've displayed since that wondrous night of Nov. 4th.  

There has not been one single day without whining and grumbling and bitching about everything under the sun.  You're lucky I'm not president, or I'd be tempted to say fcuk you all.    

Can LOVE ever be a sin?


[ Parent ]
"But our community should consider itself lucky to get anything "
I doubt you are in "OUR" community.
and if by some odd chance you are...WTF???

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
Yummy stuff!
Heaping helpings of cold shit- why aren't you gayz grateful already?? Honestly; you've BEEN acknowledged- that's why you got a plate in the first place!

[ Parent ]
You're grossly mistaken, Mr. PornPig
... but if it makes you feel better to believe I'm some troll and NOT part of the LGBT family, so be it.

Can LOVE ever be a sin?

[ Parent ]
It's easy to promise to repeal something, but difficult
to do when the matter is not yours to repeal...............  

Obama knows the matter is not his to repeal.  

Think about that.


[ Parent ]
@BB
You are more than welcome to my share of the SPIT Warren dishes out at the inaugural, I'll go to MILK, (AGAIN) and remember when our Nation had REAL LEADERS.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
btw...this isn't the first politicaian who LIED to queers for our votes
and he won't be the last.
somehow I hoped this time would be different...and it's NOT. But even at this, it suprised me how soon the shivs got stuck in our backs...must be a NEW RECORD.
I think I know how Jeremiah Wright felt, cuz when Obama is through with someone, he tosses you RUTHLESSLY.

Maybe when you've lived through more elections, you'll spot the early signs of disappointment, as soon as I did.(I go back to Eisenhower.)
Might I add feminists, greens, labor, and anti war Left...that queers are the canaries in the mines. Obama will disappoint and spit on each of you too, Tim Kaine and Josh DuBois...guarantee this.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
Yes guys, keep listening to cynical old fools like petey...
...and see how far you get.  

Petey, just because you've given up doesn't mean everyone else have to.


[ Parent ]
where did I say anyone else has to do anything?
I'm not someone a snot nosed kid want's to try and play...are we clear?
Seriously don't F*CK WITH me...child.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
I'm sorry....
....you've obviously mistaken me for someone who'd be afraid of cynical old fools like you.

What will you do?  A protest march?  Yeah I've seen how effective those things have been to you guys.


[ Parent ]
The really tragic part of Obama's drop from LGBT friends list
It would have taken SO LITTLE initially to have us remain friends, just a little RESPECT and we would have stayed with him for years. But what he and his people damaged, won't be repaired for a very long time,(if at all) and still the memory of being TOSSED will remain, and the trust level will never be the same he once had.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
Until he does something you like...
...and then all will be forgiven.

[ Parent ]
Love the casual bigotry.
Very classy.  

Not.


[ Parent ]
True
but I hope the damage can be repaired and the respect rebuilt. Not easy tasks, but not impossible either. (hey, I'm still a tad idealistic sometimes)

[ Parent ]
BB by any chance are you Obama's new LGBT liason, the initials fit?
I think disclosure would be in order if you are.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
From the Washington Monthly comment thread on this topic
"Steve LaBonne" sums up the progressive outrage over Warren far better than I've managed to:

...It's not very politically smart to offend your own supporters in order to throw a bone to people who are never going to vote for you regardless. This is a longstanding conservative-Dem fantasy and there's never been the slightest shred of evidence that it will ever accomplish anything.

Mike Dukakis tried this same shit back in 1988, and we see how well it's worked since then.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


[ Parent ]
The difference between the two ...
Dukakis lost -- big time.

Can LOVE ever be a sin?

[ Parent ]
No, you need to listen up ...
There are some things in this world that will NEVER be things that we can "agree to disagree" about; some things that reasonable people can NEVER disagree about; some things with very clear rights and wrongs, with no middle ground.

Civil rights are those things. Human dignity is one of those things. Same-sex marriage is one of those things.


[ Parent ]
Are you serious?
 
After the brouhaha about Warren happened, the president elect spoke out about his support for LGBT rights.

Saying you're in favor of LGBT equality counts for nothing if you don't do something about it.  Obama has already backed off from several of his campaign promises to us (most prominently repealing DADT).  What we're left with is bullcrap about how "God is in the mix" and therefore we should be content with some weird kind of separate but equal status.  

If you don't understand why so many of us are so angry at our double-dealing president-elect, you simply haven't thought about it properly.

Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


[ Parent ]
The Bigger Question..
Is why in hell are there ANY prayers included in ANY official government occasion?

The struggle for gay equality is a civil struggle. We should welcome the support of religionists when offered, but not get caught up, as we continually seem to do, in arguments over what preacher should do this, and what bishop x should say, or whose unprovable beliefs are superior to another's.

Look at this topic.  All the gay political blogs this morning  are sounding like a room full of church ladies arguing over who gets to sit at the nicer pew.



LOL -- yes, Waa Waa WAAAAAA.....
... it would almost be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

 We are so much better than this.  We are so much stronger than this.  

Can LOVE ever be a sin?


[ Parent ]
Strictly speaking, the Inaugural events are NOT government occasions
They are public events, legally indistinguishable from Gay Pride or Summerfest or other such events. The one and only government occasion is the oath-taking itself: you have a legitimate beef with the addition of "so help me God" which is not a part of the Constitutionally mandated Oath of Office and, arguably, invalidates the whole process. But the parties, the ceremonies and all the associated brouhaha... not government.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt

[ Parent ]
nothing will satisfy the fundies
OneNewsNow is already upset because he's not going to use a bible.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Chur...

As I post this, there are only 2 comments posted to this at ONN, but there will be more, I'm sure.  


Prayers at a concert ?
Who is performing ? An LGBT orchestra?  (I wish) That would be the step forward.  Marianne Anderson sang at The Lincoln Memorial back in the 40's, paving the way for the civil rights movement.
I don't remember if any preacher gave an innovocation, if so it was overshadowed by this great lady's performance.  Who is doing the concert ?  It would be great if it was the Gay mens chorus from all 50 states singing gospel.

Same-Sex Marriage is good for the economy.

too DAMN little, too DAMN late
Obama made sure I wouldn't have a bit of enjoyment of his Inaugural....so he can deal with the backlash.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


One person giving a 3 minute prayer...
...has that much power over you?

A little insecure aren't we?  I can't ever imagine some one having that much power over me.  I wonder if Warren or Obama would care about something like that if they knew you existed?


[ Parent ]
Rick Warren wishes we didn't.
What's your point?

[ Parent ]
What bettr way to get even with him...
...than to GIVE him that wish, right?  Out of sight, out of mind.

.....or.... you can live by your mantra
"We're here, we're queer.  Get used to it"

In other words, the GLBT should be loud and proud at the inauguration.  


[ Parent ]
"having power"???
You see this as a matter not of policy or principle, but one of somebody having "power" over somebody else?  Said like a true Republican.  

Our outrage over the Warren pick, and the justice of that outrage, should be quite easily comprehensible to anyone who doesn't think in terms as dippy as this.  Is your screen name meant to tell us all that you're benighted?

Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


[ Parent ]
Read this quote again....
Obama made sure I wouldn't have a bit of enjoyment of his Inaugural

How?  Did Obama promise specifically during the campaign to not let people with controversial views have any speaking parts at his inauguration?  Maybe thia was the only reason peteyPornpig voted for him, because that's the only way petey's belief makes any logical rational sense.


[ Parent ]
Hmm ... what's a PeteyPornPig backlash like?
Just curious...
  not trying to be funny, but, does that mean removing Obama and Warren from your collection?

  ** too horrified to comment further **

Can LOVE ever be a sin?


[ Parent ]
My BACKLASH means posting on a dozen LGBT forums which you don't know exist
It means my posts can be read on blogs OUR community trusts as having integrity, and are listened to.
MY BACKLASH means writing key Progressive Representatives and Senators, and writing letters to editors in major cities Newspapers.
I can be a good ally, but I am a real sonofb*tch, when ya cross me.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
the nickname I use is related to Peter LaBarbera taking my quotes
now he has to take this nickname when he does that, the simple pleasures are the BEST.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
And yet with all your power....
....you still couldn't keep Prop 8 from passing.

You speak for thousands of voices.........in your head.


[ Parent ]
and with all your SHMARTS
you can't make prop 8 constitutional, and in June you'll see the hater's 22 million was spent for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
HA!

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
It shouldn't have passed in the first place....
....but it did, and you guys still have your panties in a bunch over it.

[ Parent ]
Re.you guys still have your panties in a bunch over it.
People tend to do that when their civil rights are removed.

NOM ~ "Mine is an honorable task and I shall drown out anyone who claims otherwise!"

[ Parent ]
Shows what YOU know!
My HUSBAND wears the "panties" in our family- and they are very pretty, thank you very much!

:-P


[ Parent ]
LOL @ Louise!
.
A little levity is just what some of you folks need.  All this RAGE over a fight we are destined to win anyway.  Yes, be angry, but not so blue in the face with rage that all rational thought escapes you.

Can LOVE ever be a sin?

[ Parent ]
:)
I actually would like to apologize for getting so vitriolic/ apoplectic the other day- usually don't get that angry... the silly/sarcastic place is much more comfortable.

Petey and others here are very good buds- in RL, I am a vey loyal friend- a trait that carries over to PHB easily. Then add in the comments on this thread that I read the other night... those and the fact that we all don't ALREADY share the same rights and privileges is viscerally repulsive to me, and I blew my top.  


[ Parent ]
Obama's team are USERS, Biden should KNOW better than this if Barrack doesn't
They put gays and lesbians in awkward positions, Like the WI lesbian representative on the honorary Inaugural committee, which she would be viewed lousey to refuse, and demeaned to accept, same with Gene Robinson.
After the Inaugural some PAYBACK will present itself, at the earliest moment. The sleazy little Josh Dubois better stay close to his Christian Reich buddies, cuz he doesn't want to be in a large crowd of Progressives or queers.  Bills they REALLY need our votes, may not deliver, and a FIRESTORM towards Tim Kaine heading the DNC, that ain't going away...EITHER

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


btw the herd of pastel anti bellum women from Alabama at the Inaugural Parade sums up the event for me
LOW CLASS, inappropriate and generally TACKY.
What they couldn't get women dressed as Mammies to walk behind them carrying an umbrella?

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


Antebellum typo above
  http://cmsimg.montgomeryadvert...
"With an antebellum representation there," said Vaughn, who is based in Dothan. "I'm thinking Alabama will be a laughing stock."

ya think?


"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
image didn't load here's the page link
   http://www.montgomeryadvertise...

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
Freeper Comments best laugh of the day
I especially loved these two:

If a heterosexual father of two young daughters left his wife for a newer, younger sex partner, and proundly boasted about that decision, I doubt there would be much support for promoting the adulterer to the position of Bishop. However, since Robinson left his wife for another man, the Episcopal leadership decided that his promotion would represent "diversity".

It's a shame the church didn't consider following Jesus to be as relevant as political correctness in choosing a leader: In a well known passage from Matthew 19, Jesus said, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." While Robinson didn't quite marry another woman, I think Jesus's stance on the issue can be inferred from these words.

Yeah, did you vote for John McCain?

Oh, that's right, divorce is only an issue if you're gay and divorce your opposite-gender spouse, not when you're the GOP nominee for President.  


Some of you need to get over yourselves....
...and your self-righteousness.

Endorsing a standard of "separate but equal" is NOT support for a person's rights. Obama is a liar and a hypocrite. As a Constitutional Law scholar, he knows full well what his duty to the law is. He's just choosing to ignore it because hating queers is still socially acceptable, he wants to be liked, and his religion says it's okay. Which is why he's pandering to the Far Wrong by kissing the ring of Pharisee McMoney-Driven Life.

What better way to fight for your cause than to accentuate one of the biggest stereotypes of the GLBT community as being self-absorbed drama queens.  You want the whole Rick Warren situation to be about you and no one else but you.

You wanna claim Obama is kissing right-wing ass, but you guys seem to want him to do the same thing with you.  Again, you guys are making about you and only you and you need to get over yourselves or actually do some beside piss and moan.


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How Does Pointing out Hypocrisy
Among the heretics, blasphemers, adulterers and fornicators of the "pro-family" movement in any way akin to self-riteousness? One does not have to be in favor of, or against, Obama's pick of Warren to note the hypocrisy of condemning Bishop Robinson for doing something straight guys do all the time.  

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Yeah?
What the fuck have you done?

[ Parent ]
Go boil your head.
Or, at the very least, go back to Gay Patriot, where you belong.

Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


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Yeah, It's interesting retorts like this....
... that makes it perfectly clear how Prop 8 passed.

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LTMidnight: You've been banished...
... for daring to assault the angry (but well dressed) horde with logic and  reason.  

  And take your equally reasonable friend BB with you.  

   

Can LOVE ever be a sin?


[ Parent ]
are you three visiting from F*cktards "R" Us?


"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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That's pretty cool, Mr. PornPig ...
... and quite clever.  

You should consider grabbing that url domain and starting your own site.  

Can LOVE ever be a sin?


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DAmmit!
I always show up late to the parties; McCain was exactly what I thought of too!! Except my comment was gonna be "No, not BISHOP- TRY POTUS!!"

I'll go put this Jello mold over with the others... sigh...


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first...
my comment to the first idiot who youve quoted pam, the person sounds insane... not just that particular person, but most "christians" in general.

2nd comment... Why does a Catholic really care about what a protestant thinks anyways? all it takes for some religious war is for someone to stir the pot. And I think bill donahue is a great example of a controversy starter.

Honestly, I think there should be NO prayer whatsoever.. NO MATTER WHAT. It's obviously a breach of separation of church and state, so why are we dealing with it? let's just get rid of that part of the inauguration ceremony. Isn't government supposed to stay secular so that it doesn't support one religion over another (bush sure f*cked that up with faith based initiatives and government funds going straight to religious organizations, now didn't he?). In fact that's one of the reasons that the establishment clause in the first amendment was created for that specific purpose.. history sure makes a joke of this country doesn't it?

best solution... get rid of religious legal firms. remove religious ceremonies from state functions and events, and stop this hypocrisy of allowing some people to have rights endowed to them by the state unless you have a difference deemed "unacceptable and not of the norm" by a religious authority.

~ Tim  

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.


Keep in mind Obama didn't have to do this...
.... in fact, he shouldn't have to do this.

He is not the President of GLBT America,
He is not the President of Liberal America,
He is not the President of Black America,

He is the President of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Just because some of you may not know any conservatives or Christians doesn't mean they don't exist.  If Obama is to be successful in cleaning up Bushes mess, he's gonna need the help of every American he can get.  I would hope that is why some of you voted for Obama.


a slap in the face is
not acceptable to me. As a person who has to listen to indirect harassment and words being strung around  like its no big deal. I certainly do not want Rick Warren speaking to represent americans at all. It is a disgrace to me and any other person who has reasonable thought to see behind this crazy misfortune of a selection that shouldn't even be in existence.

He is not the President of GLBT America,
He is not the President of Liberal America,
He is not the President of Black America,

I have absolutely no care whatsoever for what he is now. He will not be my president. My best ally would be a member of the house or senate. The real holders of power in this country. Not some guy who's power has been increased starting with T.R.

I would hope that is why some of you voted for Obama.

Nope... didnt vote (age restrictions) but absolutely regret the expansive amount of time I used in order to get him elected in my state.

Just because some of you may not know any conservatives or Christians doesn't mean they don't exist.  If Obama is to be successful in cleaning up Bushes mess, he's gonna need the help of every American he can get.

Why be friends with conservatives? isn't the whole philosophy of little or no change in any area really sickening? doesn't it make you think of the amount of social change that would've never happened without liberal thought? What I do is convince fellow peers that progressive ideas are the best thing you can ever support because they liberate people by giving them the rights taht they were already supposed to be given regardless of the difference that was given as a reason to hinder, belittle and disenfranchise that group of people. f*ck the conservative viewpoint.



"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.


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Re: a slap in the face is..
As a person who has to listen to indirect harassment and words being strung around  like its no big deal. I certainly do not want Rick Warren speaking to represent americans at all. It is a disgrace to me and any other person who has reasonable thought to see behind this crazy misfortune of a selection that shouldn't even be in existence.

Again, you making this all about YOU, what YOU want, what YOU think, what YOU care about.  Warren has said the disparaging things about a lot of people, so why is the GLBT community the only one outrage?  Is it because everyone else is smart or thoughtful enough to know what's worth fighting for?
I have absolutely no care whatsoever for what he is now. He will not be my president. My best ally would be a member of the house or senate. The real holders of power in this country. Not some guy who's power has been increased starting with T.R.

If you are an American, and if you live in America, he WILL BE YOUR PRESIDENT.  No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

And I suggest you do more research on how the 3 branches of government work.


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Im sorry... maybe... to have to chew you out
but 1)
Again, you making this all about YOU, what YOU want, what YOU think, what YOU care about.  Warren has said the disparaging things about a lot of people, so why is the GLBT community the only one outrage?  Is it because everyone else is smart or thoughtful enough to know what's worth fighting for?

No. this is not about me. This is about MY COMMUNITY. MY LIVELIHOOD. MY IDENTITY being under attack because of someone who thinks that religious dogma and ideology should be ruling a country of about 300 million citizens in which every single person is unique in their own way. I'm tired of being persecuted by people like Rick Warren and I will not Stand another damn bit of a lecture that I'm being uncooperative with "mainstream" america. There is absolutely NO REASON why I should have to fear for my life every single time that I read about the slaying of ANYONE from the LGBT community. I will not stay quiet and sit idly by while watching people be harmed by some laissez faire attitude towards gay people. I'm tired of people not taking me seriously. I may only be 16 but I have an expression that can NOT bear any more abuse from willfully nay... forcefully ignorant and bigotted people like Rick Warren.

If you are an American, and if you live in America, he WILL BE YOUR PRESIDENT.  No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

No he will NEVER BE. Not after this stunt with Rick Warren. NEVER. I know I may be sounding harsh because it is only one action that I "shouldnt" judge him by. But if memory does serve me correctly... One action is VERY telling of what will come and what will NOT.
I have YET to see ANYTHING. Already I KNOW that there's 7 days left til that clown Bush is out of the white house. I will be waiting to see what Obama does for my community.

BUT don't ever mistake me for some fool who knows nothing about how government works. What I envision government as is something that is uninhibited by religious influences and listens to its constituents without a care in the world for what the differences are.. they just attend to them to help make people's lives better. It'll probably never happen, but it can be tried.
Our government hardly resembles anything like that, and the way it looks now, will never become that.

And I suggest you do more research on how the 3 branches of government work.

Again... do not mistake me for an idiot.  

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.


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You're only 16, so I'll cut you some slack....
....but let me show you the powerful ignorance that is your argument:

No. this is not about me. This is about MY COMMUNITY. MY LIVELIHOOD. MY IDENTITY being under attack because of someone who thinks that religious dogma and ideology should be ruling a country of about 300 million citizens in which every single person is unique in their own way. I'm tired of being persecuted by people like Rick Warren and I will not Stand another damn bit of a lecture that I'm being uncooperative with "mainstream" america. There is absolutely NO REASON why I should have to fear for my life every single time that I read about the slaying of ANYONE from the LGBT community. I will not stay quiet and sit idly by while watching people be harmed by some laissez faire attitude towards gay people. I'm tired of people not taking me seriously. I may only be 16 but I have an expression that can NOT bear any more abuse from willfully nay... forcefully ignorant and bigotted people like Rick Warren.

"Your Community" is the reason Prop 8 passed.  Obama sent out a statement and did a radio commercial urging people to vote "No" on Prop 8.  "not much", you might say, but it was far more than the so callled GLBT leaders did.  There are many very rich and very influential gays in California who could've changed the course there, but they didn't.  Where were they?

.........................And yet Obama is your enemy?

No he will NEVER BE. Not after this stunt with Rick Warren. NEVER.

.......and you wonder why people don't take you seriously?????



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never allow
an organization to do your work for you. You sir, are definitely a pain in my side. Of course my community didn't do to well. But I'm not going to brand it as a failure and cry about it. I will not. But I'm also not going to let mormons, catholics, and other "christians" to look like victims. and neither does my community to a certain extent.

.........................And yet Obama is your enemy?

I didn't say enemy.. But he sure as hell doesn't look like a friend.

.......and you wonder why people don't take you seriously?????

only you don't.... you said it. I didn't.

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.


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Condescending about age, too?
Wow, you hit ALL the beats, don't you...

TS, I'll sit at the kiddy table and listen to you over this sort of troll ANY EFFING DAY OF THE WEEK. You've got your head on your shoulders a helluva lot better than THIS twerp! And I've learned alot from you- thanx for that. :)


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a slap in the face is
not acceptable to me. As a person who has to listen to indirect harassment and words being strung around  like its no big deal. I certainly do not want Rick Warren speaking to represent americans at all. It is a disgrace to me and any other person who has reasonable thought to see behind this crazy misfortune of a selection that shouldn't even be in existence.

He is not the President of GLBT America,
He is not the President of Liberal America,
He is not the President of Black America,

I have absolutely no care whatsoever for what he is now. He will not be my president. My best ally would be a member of the house or senate. The real holders of power in this country. Not some guy who's power has been increased starting with T.R.

I would hope that is why some of you voted for Obama.

Nope... didnt vote (age restrictions) but absolutely regret the expansive amount of time I used in order to get him elected in my state.

Just because some of you may not know any conservatives or Christians doesn't mean they don't exist.  If Obama is to be successful in cleaning up Bushes mess, he's gonna need the help of every American he can get.

Why be friends with conservatives? isn't the whole philosophy of little or no change in any area really sickening? doesn't it make you think of the amount of social change that would've never happened without liberal thought? What I do is convince fellow peers that progressive ideas are the best thing you can ever support because they liberate people by giving them the rights taht they were already supposed to be given regardless of the difference that was given as a reason to hinder, belittle and disenfranchise that group of people. f*ck the conservative viewpoint.



"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.


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sorry for the
extra comment

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.

[ Parent ]
Buy a clue
He is not the President of GLBT America,
He is not the President of Liberal America,
He is not the President of Black America

My understanding is that he is president of ALL of these, and more besides.  For him to deliberately slight any of these constituencies is an outrage.  If as you say he is president of all America, why do you find it acceptable for him to diss parts of it?

Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


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Simple....
.... the only way choosing Warren to do his invocation can be seen as Obama "dissing" gays is if you ALLOW it to be that way.  No one has been able to provide concrete proof it was Obama's intention to "diss" the GLBT community.  It just how "it was felt".  And since FEELINGS are subjective by nature, one can just as easily "feel" that Obama actually intended to "diss" the atheist community.  It's all a vanity issue.

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Actually
As an atheist, I AM upset as I think religion has no business in government affairs.

The fact is that Warren didn't compare atheism to pedophilia and bestiality, he didn't work to strip atheists of marriage rights. Obama may not have intended it, but it happened. How would you feel if he had asked a racist? We have to be inclusive, right?

To say nothing of all the atheist commentary regarding Warren.


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Come, now
No one has been able to provide concrete proof it was Obama's intention to "diss" the GLBT community.

What kind of "concrete proof" would satisfy you?  I'm guessing that even if someone dug up a handwriten note by Obama to this effect, you'd still come up with some dumbass excuse for it.

Whether he intended to snob us or not, he did it.  Obama, unless he's totally clueless, knows the LGBT community's reaction to him giving the spotlight to an avowed homophobe (McClurkin) last summer.  He had to realize how deeply offended we'd be by this move.  Yet he did it anyway.  There's no way that adds up to anything but a calculated, deliberate slight, to put it mildly.  Or do you think he's so clueless he didn't realize what he's doing?  And doesn't that bode well for  the next four years.

Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


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Re; Come, now...
What kind of "concrete proof" would satisfy you?  I'm guessing that even if someone dug up a handwriten note by Obama to this effect, you'd still come up with some dumbass excuse for it.

Something to that equivalent will do just fine.  At least something better than the mindless brain-dead ASSumptions you guys are making.
Whether he intended to snob us or not, he did it.  Obama, unless he's totally clueless, knows the LGBT community's reaction to him giving the spotlight to an avowed homophobe (McClurkin) last summer.  He had to realize how deeply offended we'd be by this move.  Yet he did it anyway.  There's no way that adds up to anything but a calculated, deliberate slight, to put it mildly.  Or do you think he's so clueless he didn't realize what he's doing?  And doesn't that bode well for  the next four years.

Again, another self-absorbed "it's all about my feelings" hissy-fit.  In the past year, Obama has literally somehow managed to "offend" or "hurt the feelings" of every major group in America.  All because of the simple fact that you can't please everyone.  Where's the hissy-fit from you guys from those occurences.  maybe if you guys saved the "righteous outrage" for when you actully does something that effects the GLBT community negatively beside "hurt feelings" then maybe you'll be taken seriously.

[ Parent ]
What were you sent by Obama's campaign with the message get over yourselves?
Send this message back KISS MY G*D DAMN QUEER ASS!

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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No, you're not that important...
I came as my own sensible person trying hoping against hope that reasonable people exist here.

You and your cynical attitude will always be dead last because you're too full of yourself to fight.


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No
You created your screen name on Monday and have posted hateful vitriolic spew ever since. Fuckwad.

Actually... that's too high a compliment. You're definitely the most self-absorbed troll we've had for awhile, though.


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No....?
...as in no, reasonable people don't exist here?

I don't believe you, kid.  I just believe you want people here to be as cynical and narrow minded as you.


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ROTFLMAO!!!
Tee-fucking hee; yer just 2 damned cute 4 wrdz...

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babycakes WHY do you care so much what queers feel towards Obama
Since you obviously don't play for our team?
What's your motivation...huh cupcake?

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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If you voted for him....
....you should at least let the man take office before you make brain dead accusations on what he plans to do.

What if he does repel DADT and DOMA like he promised? I know you're too much of a cynical fool to believe this, but it could happen.

If you ask me, I think you're afraid he might keep his promises to the GLBT community.  Then what will you have to piss and moan about?  


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First NO ONE ASKED YOU
Second if I was so cynical why would I have invested in Obama MORE THAN ANY OTHER politician?
Members here can verify, after I returned to supporting Obama after the McClurkin fiasco, I was totally behind his campaign. Actually it was Michelle speaking on her own that made me trust Obama. Now the trust is GONE.
So the act of betrayal had to be S_I_G_N_I_F_I_I_C_A_N_T
to have turned me so completely away already.
You don't have to understand my feelings towards this administration, THEY ARE MY FEELINGS ...not yours.
You as a straight, won't EVER understand.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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No, but I am black....
....and let's say that Obama had picked Jerry Falwell (assuming he was still alive).  Falwell supported segregation, and he supported apartheid.  And the very reason there is a christian-right in this country was based on segregation.

I, along with a lot of african american, would not like it, but most of us would know that Jerry prayer would not bring back Jim Crow or cause the repeal of voting rights.  

Only cynical old fools like you think as soon as Warren prayer is over, a scarlet letter will appear on you and you will lose all rights.  It's mindlessly dumb.


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Josh DuBois is Black too
Joshy is Obama's faith leader
Next time he licks the balls of KKK linked Tony Perkins FRC, who bought David Duke's Klan mailing list...maybe he'll save a portion of that Lily White freckeled nut sack for you to lick too.
Call him MASTER while you do it, it really turns him on.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


[ Parent ]
Here's something Obama didn't have to do but did.
http://www.americablog.com/200...

At least John Aravosis thinks that way.


Let's see...
Profile created today...comments calling the most shunned group in America a bunch of drama queens...telling us how uppity we are...am I the only one who smells a troll?

Goddammit, who left the trackback that led it here? We've told you time and again that a trail of bread crumbs only prompts them to follow you home!

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


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Definitely a troll.
But this time the Billy Goats Gruff are ready for a fight.  We've taken care of bigger trolls than this dweeb, before now.

Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


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Yes, I must be a troll...
...because I said some things that make sense, but totally undermines your desire to continue your self-righteous anger.

Because if you stop, you might actually have to do something productive.  What I've seen in this blog and others like it is that the GLBT hasn't learned a damn thing from the passage of Prop 8.  You guys aren't willing to do the hard work.  Pissing and moaning on internet blogs is way easier.


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Then GTFO
If you think this is a waste of time, take your ball and go home and coalition build. Conduct outreach until your face is blue to religious whackos who want to kill you because of two verses in a book of Bronze Age fairy tales. Knock yourself out. We won't stop you.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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A couple of things.
1) I'm not gay.  I just believe in civil rights

2) I also believe it's totally moronic for the GLBT to have support of same sex marriage to be the litmus test to judge your allies.

Contrary to what you may wanna think, the country is not separated into homophobes and homophiles.  There are people who are in the middle and are reachable.

Of course you can continue to stay in your bubble and piss and moan about being "the most shunned group in America".  it's so much easier.


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You wanted reasoned discourse
So here it is. Since you're a straight person on a queer website, I present a bit of instruction and context for the blinding rage you see here:

(1) The issue of marriage support IS a litmus test because anything less is a "separate but equal" standard, which is unconstitutional per Brown vs. Board of Education. As a Constitutional Law professor, PE Obama knows this. He knows his duty to the law, but is choosing to ignore it in favor of intellectual dishonesty. His cultural and religious blinders tell him this is okay. It isn't. He fails this test.

(2) Marriage support is not the only litmus test. Support for repealing DADT and DOMA, for passing an INCLUSIVE ENDA, for passing the Matthew Shepard Act, for passing the Uniting American Families Act (immigration rights for same-sex couples), for passing Federal marriage equality legislation, for increasing AIDS research and drug coverage, and for plain old saying that gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people are actual HUMAN BEINGS worthy of EQUAL CIVIL RIGHTS is a litmus test. PE Obama has failed at this one so far, too. Future actions? Well, as previously stated, "I'll believe it when I see it." That he failed the first test doesn't give us warm fuzzies on the rest of it.

(3) Rick Warren is evil. He is a morally bankrupt young earth creationist who believes that women were put on earth to serve him. He believes that gays should be arrested, jailed, deported, or killed. He thinks that domestic violence is not a good reason for woman to leave her husbands. He believes in state womb control. He advocates assassinating foreign heads of state because he thinks his Bible says so. He promotes churches in Africa that burn condoms and target gay men for assault and death and then he calls it "fighting AIDS." He believes in replacing democracy with his brand of violent, supremacist "Christianity." He is so far off of PE Obama's supposed policies that it's astounding PE Obama publicly admits to giving him the time of day. The fact that PE Obama continues to cozy up to this troglodyte does not bode well for those of us who voted for his promise to help make things better for us.

(4) As previously stated, it's not very politically smart to offend your own supporters in order to throw a bone to people who are never going to vote for you regardless. Supposedly PE Obama is smart enough to know this. So why does he continually do it? Could it be that he really ISN'T our ally? We here in the LGBT community are beginning to think so. We know from years of swallowing this kind of shit sandwich what it tastes like, and tell you what, I'm getting mustard on the roof of my mouth again.

Hopefully you understand just a bit better now why we are so hysterical over a "two minute prayer no one will remember." It's because this heralds more of the same shit sandwich we've been eating for decades, and quite frankly, we expected better of "that one."

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


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Okay, here we go....
1) Having gay marriage being the litmus test is like saying because you don't think everyone should learn Spanish that you must hate Mexicans.  Maybe someone has been brought up to believe in traditional marriage and afraid of change.  Does that make them bad people?  You seem to think so.

2) So let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.  Inviting Warren to do a 3 minute prayer equals being against all those laws you mentioned and equals war against the GLBT?  Are you really saying this?  Is it really that simple in your head?

3) It's been said before, but it's worth repeat.  OBAMA.HAS.NOT.BEEN.SWORN.IN.YET.  Which makes it impossible to have enacted or ignored and promises.  And I suppose you think Melissa Etheridge and othe GLBT who can see beyong this are EVIL in your eyes as well.

4)

it's not very politically smart to offend your own supporters in order to throw a bone to people who are never going to vote for you regardless.

By this logic, Obama should've never won Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina.  For god's sake, Indiana is home base for numerous White supremacy groups.  Good thing he didn't listen to bitter and cynical queers individuals like you.

[ Parent ]
You wanted reasons
And I gave them to you. Not my fault if you deliberately shit in the plate to avoid having to eat what you were served.

If I'm bitter it's because I have a reason. Unlike Melissa Etheridge, I don't have millions of dollars to spend on lawyers getting all the same legal protections that marriage offers. And by the way, she really needs to stick to her day job. Whenever she opens her mouth she sticks her foot in it. Unlike Melissa and Tammy, I have to worry about Advanced Directives For Health Care and keeping my job and looking over my shoulder when I walk down the street because I don't have hired security. Money = privilege, and Melissa with her millions is in no position to speak on the critical importance of marriage.

But since you came over here for the express purpose of adding to our shit sandwich, I suppose hearing this is just a little extra mayo for you.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi


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Wow....
.... and I thought the moronic belief that celebrities are not like "normal" people was only exclusive to right wingers.

A few facts.  She has to take a shit just like you do and it stinks just like yours do.  She bleeds just like any normal person.  Her money makes her no more immuned to the issues she faces as a gay american than you are.  And she can't get married to the person she loves just like you can't.

Again, self-absorbed.


[ Parent ]
Gay marriage isn't the point - Warren's anti-condom stance has done real harm to real Africans (mostly straight)
I have no patience with people who claim to love others but won't meet and help them where they are and not where they "ought to be". In public health land, "risk reduction" is the key - try to get someone to stop risky behavior, but in the meanwhile try to reduce the risk of the behavior.

[ Parent ]
Your First Analogy Fails
No one is saying that every person ought to marry a person of the same sex. Unlike the speaker in your analogy, who is being asked to learn Spanish, letting gay people legally marry does not impose any burden on straight people.  So your analogy of comparing those who oppose letting their gay neighbors marry to those who don't believe that "everyone"-- including themselves-- should have to learn Spanish fails. Under current law,you as a straight person have access to the right to legally marry-- which has been repeatedly recognized as a basic, human, fundamental and civil right. We are denied that basic human right. Our lives and those of our children are made much harder because of this. Therefore, I think it is a good "litmus test" of a straight person's commitment to equal rights to ask if he believes gay and lesbian Americans are entitled to all of the same civil rights as he has, including the right to legally marry. To me, a good definition of bigotry is where someone would deny another person a legal right he cherishes for himself because the other person is different. Now one might come to a bigoted viewpoint because of "how they are brought up" or because they are "afraid of change." That explains but does not excuse, any more than it would racism, sexism, religious bigotry or other character defects.

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Yes, it does
Maybe someone has been brought up to believe in traditional marriage and afraid of change.  Does that make them bad people?

It absolutely does. And this includes my beloved mother, who voted for the Prop8 equivalent in her home state. The only possible way to end at the place where marriage has to be "protected" from LGBTs is to start at a place where they aren't as good/deserving as their straight counterparts.

People who think whole classes of other people are inferior to themselves are called bigots. Bigots are bad. Bigots are not your friend. Well, maybe they're your friend, but they're certainly not mine.  

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing


[ Parent ]
You're NOT GAY???
ZOMG, I never would have GUESSED!!!

Shock 'n awe, dude/ette!!


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I didn't call you drama queens...
...that's the stereotype, and that is what some of you are acting like.  And I didn't call you uppity.  I said some of you are self-absorbed, which is true.  Big difference.

Again, you want this Warren situation to be about you and only you.  And you're too self-absorbed to see that.  Warren has said bad stuff about a lot of people, why is only the GLBT still "outraged" after 7 weeks?


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What thehell do you want here?
It must be obvious even to you that 1) we don't agree with you and 2) we're not going to.  You obviously think we should settle for separate but equal status. We're not going to.  You obviously think we should just smile and let Obama go back on his promises to our community.  We're not going to.  You obviously have no idea the damage that Obama has already done to his relations with the LGBT community.  And you don't want to learn. (Or do you really believe that once he's in office he's going to do all the things he's already said he won't?)  

There are other straight folks who hang out on this blog because they see it as an opportunity to learn about our life experiences and our viewpoints that have been shaped by them.  I know this because I've corresponded with a few of them.  But you are clearly not interested in understanding our viewpoint or developing any empathy with it.  

So I ask again:  what the hell are you doing here?  If you get your jollies calling people self-righteous, go find a nice Christian website to do it on.  The people there make us look like pikers in the self-righteousness department.  As do you, with your condescending attitude that you're going to set all these poor befuddled queers right on the issues that touch our lives but don't affect you at all.

You have no insight that could possibly be of any use to us.   Go away.

Americans suffer from an ignorance that is not only colossal, but sacred.  --James Baldwin


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What do I want here you ask?
You obviously think we should just smile and let Obama go back on his promises to our community.  We're not going to.  You obviously have no idea the damage that Obama has already done to his relations with the LGBT community.  And you don't want to learn. (Or do you really believe that once he's in office he's going to do all the things he's already said he won't?)

No, I don't have any idea the damage he's done with his relation to the GLBT community because all you guys are doing is pissing and moaning.  It's easy to bitch about what someone else is doing when all you're doing is sitting on your fat queer asses and nothing more.  Obama is getting flack from some people because he's not hiring enough dark-skinned african-americans to his administration.  So where do you think the hissy-fit being thrown by the GLBT is falling?

There are other straight folks who hang out on this blog because they see it as an opportunity to learn about our life experiences and our viewpoints that have been shaped by them.  I know this because I've corresponded with a few of them.  But you are clearly not interested in understanding our viewpoint or developing any empathy with it.

Yeah, if only other groups can understand what it's like to be persecuted.  Cry me a river.  For what it's worth, one of my good friends is a lesbian, and I'd go to bat for her anytime she needs me.  But she's didn't have a hissy-fit about Warren because she's smart enough to realize that an invitation to do a 3 minute prayer didn't make her world come to an end.  And I guarantee you, when Warren finishes the invocation, you'll still be who you are.

So I ask again:  what the hell are you doing here?  If you get your jollies calling people self-righteous, go find a nice Christian website to do it on.  The people there make us look like pikers in the self-righteousness department.  As do you, with your condescending attitude that you're going to set all these poor befuddled queers right on the issues that touch our lives but don't affect you at all.

You have no insight that could possibly be of any use to us.   Go away.


On the contrary, I have something called common sense.  I have something called rationalization.  And I offer both of those gifts to you guys.  Hopefully then you'll realize that not every GLBT are as butthurt as you are.

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Hey, everyone! Did ya see that one?

For what it's worth, one of my good friends is a lesbian

Oh, where did we hear THAT one before, a straight with a gay friend... don't tell me... oh YEAH! Here!



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LOL

Thanks to the inner tubes, Sarah's the gift that will just keep on giving.

Anyway, I tend not to label people trolls, but MidnightMadness here certified himself with that last post.

 



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"Fat Queer Asses"?
Bye-bye, asshole.

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@LTMidnight
    http://farm4.static.flickr.com...

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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Save your cuties
for those worthy! ;)


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Hey Petey!
Nu troll sez I'm a narrow-minded kid! Tee-hee!

Well, past my bedtime...


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Louise
Tomorrow is our big stadium event, I'll have pictures for you soon....smooches

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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We survived the event tonight, but my feet aren't on speaking terms with me
I feel like I did a marathon, just walking the dome hundreds of times is a workout. I also worked on concrete crawling on my knees, my knees aren't speaking to the rest of me either. It came out GORGEOUS, and the clients were very appreciative of our designs, and work. The event hosted event planners from all over America to encourage them to have their events in NOLA. So it was viewed by my hubby's peers.
I took some pictures, but they had photographers, and the Picyune may have images tomorrow too.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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LOUISE here's some pics of superdome
    http://img.villagephotos.com/p...

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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LOUISE a couple more pics of dome
   http://img.villagephotos.com/p...

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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I put these images on a privacy setting
Some dick in Utah threatened a blackmail scheme.
I'll show them to you under another name he doesn't know.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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If you want
comment on any story over on my site (the wordpress link below my signature) and it'll go to my RL email for approval. Then I can email you directly.

It does NOT show either mine or yours on the blog, though- I like the "safeness" of that.


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commented


"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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Whatever helps you sleep at night...
... when you're done I'll still be able to marry whoever I want to marry.  Can you say the same?

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no I can't...... he died
btw you make a "SPECIAL" COUPLE
  http://i156.photobucket.com/al...

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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star is free
    http://i248.photobucket.com/al...

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


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Some day, re: marry whomever one wants
and a helluva lot sooner than assholes like you want to admit. People like you feel scared and threatened by that for some fucking twisted reason; why else would you wave that in someone's face?

"I can get married and YOOOOOOOOU CAAAAAAAAN'T!!!"

What a disgusting statement of privilege. You're revolting.


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You can always count on the freepers for a measured and reasonable analysis.


certainly
quite measured (in one way or another) but very unreasonable.

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.

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The gesture is nice but...
it was less abt. Warren being a Xtian pastor and more abt. what Rick Warren said comparing gay people to bestaility and pedophiles and the active role that Warren played in the passage of Proposition 8. And Warren's role is in the Inauguration ceremony itself, whereas Robinson's is at an auxilary event...

the gesture is admittedly nice but it's almost as if Obama is throwing a dog a bone just to keep him from yapping


Well done, Blenders
Seriously.

What's going on here is beautiful. Let's keep the pressure on Obama and on all the people in our government. They are our servants.

To quote old Winnie, Let's never give up. Never. Never. Never. Never give up.

What a day, what a day for an auto-da-fe


Oh, AND
Even when the transition team named Rick Warren, I may have left it at simply saying "ain't that a b****" and went on about my day. But instead of being, I don't know, humble...magnaminous, something like that he goes on the attack and says that I served them donuts and water (Mr. Warren, doesn't Saddleback rake in enough cash that you can at least afford milk or iced coffee? At least that goes with donuts. Donuts and water sounds like prison food). Then he says that gays have Christophobia. That REALLY pissed me off

Contast that with Gene Robinson's statements today, he has a true humility that seems more Christ-like.

I don't know how coherent I sound and Pam, I think you and the others who write and gather this stuff are doing a great job.

Peace


Forgive my spelling...Please


Concentrate on Warren's promotion of disastrous AIDS policy
Go forth and read Max Blumenthal's article about Warren and his African AIDS initiative.

This needs to be highlighted - abstinence-only education and scarcity of condoms KILLS.


This hardly makes up for Warren
but it's still a good sign. This means we can get Obama to work with us. We should keep criticizing about Warren of course, but this decision shows that we can get things done under Obama.

NOM ~ "Mine is an honorable task and I shall drown out anyone who claims otherwise!"

I knew sensible people existed here.....
....I knew it.  I feel vindicated now.

Whatever you do, please don't allow yourself to get corrupted by the cynical fools that post here.


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I'm already plenty cynical myself
Most of the people here are not fools, although from what I've seen, you seem to revel in pissing us off.

NOM ~ "Mine is an honorable task and I shall drown out anyone who claims otherwise!"

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my hubby just got HIGH PRAISE
the Director of the Superdome called, she's a good friend, (she launched her careeer with my husband doing her first event)...anyways, the president of PCMA which launches these events to promote different cities, said tonight's event was the BEST closing night event they ever had,,,EVER.
I'm glad he got this praise, he may not do more big events, it just takes too much out of both of us, so this is a triumph for him, to go out at the top of his game.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner


Congrats!!
That was so kind of her, especially as you folks really put such an effort into this gigantic project.

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