Raleigh, Charlotte dioceses pushing same-sex celibacy, NC marriage amendment

stone your straight adulterers, and kill disobedient children

AFTERWARDS we'll talk about the queers.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:41:35 AM CST

The Church is blissfully "unaware" of the fact that

the American Psychiatric Association decreed back in the 60's that gayness was not a neurosis.  

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by: David Ehrenstein @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 10:49:12 AM CST

Exactly

Vatican is also sweeping out the gay in the seminaries to "enlist the aid of psychologists in screening candidates for homosexuality and other 'psychic disturbances,'"

Only one problem: No reputable psychologist would participate in identifying gays so that the church can discriminate against them.

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)

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by: oldbrit @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:39:29 PM CST

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Yea, but the right wing

is positively dripping with disreputable psychologists who'll be more than happy to do their dirty work for them.  It was reported last week that the Catholic Church has gone back into the business of selling indulgences.  Just imagine what they're promising to Paul Cameron and the other dopes of that stripe--and they'll eagerly fall for it.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 14:32:05 PM CST

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Please, no, they're not *selling* indulgences

Yes, I know they've started a return to the practice if granting indulgences, but the idea is to spur a return to the sacrament of reconciliation (penance, confession).  Indulgences are not being sold.  Monetary contributions are not required.

If we criticize the things they actually do wrong, that should be enough.  The Church stopped selling indulgences at the time of the Council of Trent, which (too late) addressed many of the more salient criticisms of Church practices leveled at the institution by Martin Luther. The practice was further de-emphasized after Vatican II, which was an attempt to make the Church more relevant in the Modern World. (Sadly, the Church's goal since Vatican II has been to become increasingly irrelevant.)

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by: Joann Prinzivalli @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 18:14:54 PM CST

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No, but per the NY Times

a charitable contribution can get you one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02...

A distinction without a difference.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 19:31:48 PM CST

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yeah, I saw that too QScribe.

...and hey can't we call them the TALIBAN RIGHT...it has such a ring to it.

KO is using it. 

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 23:24:55 PM CST

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The Church has its own Psych professionals

including Paul McHugh of Johns Hopkins, who invented "false memory syndrome" and Richard Fitzgibbons of The Philadelphia Archdiocese, who is deeply into reparative therapy. They also use and cite Jeffrey Satinover.

All three are notorious homophobes and have testified before various judicial committees.

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 09:59:12 AM CST

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This should be no surprise

The Catholic Church maintains that same-sex attraction is not sinful but that homosexual sex is.

This is the fundie belief and should be surprise - a "kinder, gentler" way of saying, "Love the sinner, hate the sin." They further attempt to perfume their bigotry by claiming that sex outside of marriage is forbidden and it doesn't really have anything to do with whether it is opposite-gender or same-gender sex. Of course, same-gender marriage is also forbidden. According to fundamentalists (including the Catholic Church), gays are supposed to live a lonely life without a family and die with their virginity intact.

If it isn't a sin to be a homosexual, why doesn't the Catholic Church admit celibate homosexuals to the priesthood?

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)

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by: oldbrit @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:35:18 PM CST

to twist voltaire's comment on the holy roman empire

If it isn't a sin to be a homosexual, why doesn't the Catholic Church admit celibate homosexuals to the priesthood?

They are neither celibate, nor homosexual.

they are pedophiles.

Sorry if I'm kinda extreme in that. But I'm just saying what I know.

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.

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by: TSinGarnNC16 @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 18:00:49 PM CST

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I'm sorry, but I don't know what you are talking about!

What does barring gays from the priesthood have to do with pedophiles?

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. -- John F. Kennedy (inspired by Dante's Inferno)

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by: oldbrit @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 23:37:04 PM CST

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I believe he was abused by a priest oldbrit.

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 23:50:39 PM CST

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Courage unofficially pushes reparative therapy

Officially, Courage doesn't take a stand on reparative therapy, but that's not how a couple gay men reported how they were treated.

Courage also treats transsexualism as an extreme form of being gay.  It groups both under the heading of "sexual identity."  

If you want allies, you have to be an ally.

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by: dale @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 12:55:45 PM CST

What makes

the Hottentots so hot?  What puts the ape in apricot?  What have they got that I ain't got?

Courage!

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 14:34:48 PM CST

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...and they don't have hearts or brains either!

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 23:49:10 PM CST

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Let's look at Sacred Scripture:

1 Corinthians 7:8-9:

8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.
9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

When the Roman Catholic hierarchy insists that "homosexual acts" are sinful for those with a "homosexual inclination," the hierarchy relies on a false understanding of Natural Law.  Homosexual acts are only sinful for those with a heterosexual inclination (they should read and understand Romans 1 with the insight that an "act in accordance with (one's) nature" is not an "act against Nature").

The Roman Catholic Church insists on celibacy as a test for a priestly vocation - to insist that all whose sexual orientation is not heterosexual must be celibate or sinful is a perversion of the message of scripture.

For that matter, the Roman Catholic Church should be urging all Catholics to be celibate - and should treat marriage as a last resort for those who can't contain themselves.  If that's the case for heterosexuals, it should be the same for gays and lesbians.

The Church should support civil marriage for non-heterosexuals if it cannot support holy matrimony as a sacrament open to gays and lesbians.

The Roman Catholic Church once again shows that its Christianist perversion of Christianity remains alive and well in these dioceses.

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by: Joann Prinzivalli @ Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 18:06:39 PM CST