Hal Turner: After We Kill Them, What Do We Do?

This kind of rhetoric

is nothing new for the right wing.  A couple of years ago Ohio televangelist Rod Parsley launched an anti-gay campaign called "Lock and Load," a clear incitement to his followers to commit anti-gay violence.  There's no way of calculating the number of hate crimes that resulted, of course.  But the rhetoric itself was shocking, even to a hardened cynic like me.

None of these people have a shred of decency or shame.  If some gay person somewhere advocated a "Lock and Load" campaign against "Christian" conservatives or voiced an outright call to murder them, they'd be whining like stuck pigs.  (I know that's a bit redundant.  Only the "stuck" part is new.)

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 13:08:12 PM CST

Actually, I'm fairly sure

that Parsley's "Lock and Load" meme was not directed specifically at gays, or in fact, at anyone in particular, but rather was meant as a metaphor of fighting for Jesus. Did you see the swords he had for sale in his shop? Parlsey is all about making money, not starting some kind of violent war against any group of individuals. He's a very slick customer. Many of us here in ohio believe he disappeared from Ken Blackwell's gubernatorial campaign in early 2006 when it became clear Blackwell was going to get his ass kicked, and Parsley would not gain any power or prominence from supporting him, plus it probably took away from his own fundraising time. If there is any violent war against "evil" being fomented, Parsley is unlikely to be part of it as he's too busy counting his money.  

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by: anastasia P @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 20:12:44 PM CST

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Where

is his hatred for gays and lesbians? He must have forgotten us.
Is the FBI monitoring this loony?

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by: hank @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 17:43:46 PM CST

Gay and Lesbian bankers and attorneys

are undoubtedly amongst those ruining the country, we're included with all of his targets.....

And he openely dicsussed the eventual murder of us all....

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by: MauraHennessey @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:02:41 PM CST

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He knows LGBT folks pay

more in taxes than straight people, they don't want us gone when it comes to money.  But I am sure his klling buddies of the relgious right would reach a deal to add LGBT people in their dream killing spree.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:06:28 PM CST

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A quote from wiki

On April 4, 2008, Turner encouraged violence against Lexington, Massachusetts school superintendent Paul Ash for establishing a new curriculum supporting gays and lesbians. On his website, he stated:

I advocate parents using FORCE AND VIOLENCE against Superintendent Paul B. Ash as a method of defending the health and safety of school children presently being endangered through his politically-correct indoctrination into deadly, disease-ridden sodomite lifestyles.[29]

He went on to provide Ash's personal information, including his address.[29]

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by: kevinchi @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:09:28 PM CST

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He didn't forget

On 2/12 he wrote:
We treat homosexuals like they're some sort of gift instead of a plague; and in some places, the boards of education are unleashing these sodomites on young school children to "teach them" about the so-called "alternative lifestyle."
If you dare speak out about this stuff, you're smeared as a 'hater" or racist, bigot, homophobe or some other such thing.
As part of this article:
http://halturnershow.blogspot....

The gay stuff is the standard the mantra for these "people", so it doesn't take an stretch of the imagination to believe that someone would say that, but check out the rest of his post.  Wow.  Why isn't this guy in a psych ward or in jail?!?!?
He has more scary stuff up, like this:
http://halturnershow.blogspot....
http://halturnershow.blogspot....

Apparently he realizes that he's pretty much just talking to himself.  No one is going to go and do anything radical just because he thinks that they should, much to his chagrin or something.  Hopefully he isn't serious about taking matters into his own hands, and if he is, I hope that the FBI meets him when he walks out the door:
http://halturnershow.blogspot....

My America includes LGBT families.

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by: Mena @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:09:34 PM CST

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This guy creeps me out.

As someone who has studied the prelude to the Holocaust, some of his ideas about the financial fallout from his fantasy sound frightening.  After the Kristallnacht in November 1938, when Jewish businesses and synagogues were torched, looted and destroyed, the German government acted to appropriate the insurance payments for the damages so that the victims of this murder spree were not reimbursed!  The money went to the Nazi-controlled government!

When these kooks start worrying about the financial impacts of their aspirations, they have moved beyond rhetoric.  That's what scares the p**s out of me.

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by: Phil @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:16:23 PM CST

Exactly

Who else is getting a whiff of George Santayana?

That's why these people and what they represent MUST be discussed and CANNOT be simply ignored or dismissed at mere nutjobs.

Mankind has already been down this road a few times before and with horrific results...  

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by: Louise @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:51:17 PM CST

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Yes

But if we scream, who will listen?

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by: Phil @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 20:17:28 PM CST

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Time to call the FBI

Normally, I'd say "Ho Hum, it's the usual hysterical over-reaction I'm used to at PHB".

His last post though reads:

I have decided to cease publishing my views, hopes, observations and dreams on issues social, cultural and political. There's much real work to be done - including the use of brutal force and violence - and this endeavor is a waste of time.

Internet Patriots are a lot like Voyeurs; they watch but can't or won't do anything in real life. There's no time left for such useless people or hoping they will grow a pair.

As I undertake the acts that must be done, the rest of you can sit back and watch; after all, that's the only thing you're good for.

The other posts were not threats. This one is. We've seen the same kind of thing before.

My family and I watched "The Kingdom" on TiVO tonight. Action-packed, kept my attention, good story line, lots of interesting sub-plots . . . . .THEN . . . . . . the Jew manipulation became instantly clear and this is something I want to point out to every Christian and every Muslim.

Definitely a credible threat.

This weekend, I will be researching the home addresses and private home telephone numbers for each of the 246 members of the House that betrayed us. I will publish those addresses on the internet through file sharing sites and/or through public newsgroups so the private info is dispersed quickly and widely.

I want members of Congress to be confronted at their homes -- where they don't have massive security protecting them. I want members of Congress to be intercepted when they drive from home to the store.

I want to create the conditions necessary so that Congress never again dares to do something like this for fear what happens to these present political whores might happen again.

Oh, and if any of you US Attorneys, federal Agents of federal Judges start getting uppity and think you can do anything at all to stop me from inciting my fellow citizens to pay a visit to members of Congress, YOUR personal private info will get published too.

And that, dear readers, is called Terrorism. The stock-in-trade of the  Protection Racket, the Secret Police, and even the anti-Scab Unionist.

In the same vein, there are other. . . . . ahem . . . . . . "nuts" ( whom I call "PATRIOTS") who may also try to do bad things with this information. To them I say, please do not sneak up on the Congress members when they're going into or out of their homes and shoot them. Definitely don't take up a sniper position near the homes of these stinking traitors and put a rifle shot through the dirty bastards while they're watching TV, and; for goodness sake, please do not fire bomb the sons of bitches and burn them to death in their homes.
...
I strongly caution you against doing any of those things because such acts are illegal -- even if some of us know in our hearts such acts are exactly what's necessary to save The Republic.
...
If you break the law, you can be put in prison. (If you get caught.)

So. . . . . . . . . . be smart about . . . . . .whatever. . . . . . you . . . . . have to do. . . . .

The law on the subject is clear - there must be a concrete threat, a time, a place, a specific person, or it's merely protected free speech. But there's enough evidence there for "probable cause" for him to be put under surveillance, and maybe even a search warrant for bomb-making materials.

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse

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by: ZoeB @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:18:21 PM CST

Oh wait, they already know

On January 9, 2008, white supremacist Hal Turner informed subscribers to his Internet radio show that he had "grown weary" of the "battle" to raise money for the show and that he was not only terminating the show, he was separating from the "pro-White movement."    Turner had threatened to cancel his show before, but this time he told listeners that he would no longer involve himself "in any aspect" of the white supremacist movement.  What Turner did not tell his audience is that his site had been hacked earlier in the month and a neo-Nazi Website had posted material reportedly found by the hackers, including alleged exchanges between himself and law enforcement agents that indicated that Turner had been providing information to them.

Agent Provocateur? A lightning rod to draw out the dangerous loonies? Or a dangerous loony being made use of in exchange for not being prosecuted?

There is no situation so complex it can't get even worse

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by: ZoeB @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:29:32 PM CST

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I have to agree with ZoeB

This wackjob sounds like he's about to do some serious harm.

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by: ggw59 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:31:01 PM CST

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actually

the law is not that clear. Publishing the home addresses and personal information of elected officials (and their spouses and children, because think about it, who lives there most of the time).

This mostly comes about because that case a few years back,  when the names, address and other personal information of so-called "activists" federal judges were published. It was determined that because the articles carried an indirect threat of violence, it was still a threat.

Its murky, but if a case can be made about implied threat. Or the intention of possible threat......equals threat.

Its the fire in a crowded theater argument. That even if your intentions are not to cause harm, the fact that your actions could cause harm constitutes a threat.  

nothing new at this time.....

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by: Mattkazoo @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:35:13 AM CST

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extra

the implied threat (since your quoting it here)

"I strongly caution you against doing any of those things because such acts are illegal -- even if some of us know in our hearts such acts are exactly what's necessary to save The Republic.
...
If you break the law, you can be put in prison. (If you get caught.)

So. . . . . . . . . . be smart about . . . . . .whatever. . . . . . you . . . . . have to do. . . . ."

He's not even smart about it. That's what worries me. He tries to be sneaky about it....with a "wink, wink, don't do this" or "if you do don't get caught."

nothing new at this time.....

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by: Mattkazoo @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:43:27 AM CST

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What I want to know is--

Why isn't he under arrest already? That post about congressmen should have been enough to pick him up.

Even more frightening than his posts are the people that read them and are totally inspired by them. What the hell happened to this country?

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

Douglas Adams - 'The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy'  

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by: Val @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:28:26 PM CST

Because

Until he commits a crime, nothing has happened for which he can be arrested.  When that happens, it will be horrific.  That, unfortunately and fortunately, is how our justice system is constructed.

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by: Phil @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 20:20:07 PM CST

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Enemies - or friends?

This guy's ideology makes him FRIENDS with the right-wing fucks behind the scenes.  I highly doubt he'll ever be prosecuted - at least officially.  Citizens' arrest, anyone?  :-D

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by: CubPaws2008 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 20:23:05 PM CST

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WTF/OMG

indeed. this is really scary.  

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.

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by: TSinGarnNC16 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:30:30 PM CST

Don't feed the religious right animals!

  A 365 day fast would be nice,,,

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:36:59 PM CST

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i couldnt

agree more

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.

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by: TSinGarnNC16 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 19:55:37 PM CST

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ive never even

heard of this nutjob before. even more scary is that the "motto?" to his site is

Honest talk in a time of universal deceit

/shudder. what a glorified bastard.  

"It's hard to free fools from the chains they revere." ~ François Marie Arouet.

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by: TSinGarnNC16 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:33:59 PM CST

Goodbye, Hal

What you are seeing is Hal Turner's last, desperate grasp for relevance and readers before having to declare bankruptcy and find a way to make an honest living. The man is a complete media failure. He may have gone over the line (or is about to) with this latest tantrum, though. Poor thing doesn't even realize he's not even adored enough to be an effective martyr.

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by: dantsea @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 18:49:31 PM CST

His "last post" is disturbing.

"As I undertake the acts that must be done, the rest of you can sit back and watch; after all, that's the only thing you're good for."

Scary shit. Sounds like a suicide note written by someone about to go out and shoot up a school.

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by: ggw59 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 19:12:24 PM CST

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He killed all of his comments

...and he did all this in the last 12 hours. I went to his blog from http://welcomebacktopottersvil... this morning and there were all sorts of asshattery, lunacy and last-class kookery to be found there. Now it's all gone, history, finito.

While I'm troubled that this guy is going underground, if only to surface elsewhere, I know he's such a blowhard that it wouldn't be long before he's found.

Thanks, jurassicpork, for taking the time to go after this nutter.

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by: Mirele @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 19:20:06 PM CST

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Not- GOOD.

One can only hope he's too much of a coward to actually risk the jail time by committing any of the acts he encourages and eggs on. Otherwise, this is a dangerous animal.

Personally, I suspect "coward", though.

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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:47:48 AM CST

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he certainly has learned his lessons well...

...from Mein Kampf.

African-American president, Wall Street in the hands of pseudo-industrialists, banks destroyed by the Jewish cabal, queers attacking the moral fibre of the great christianist country by taking aim at traditional families in West Virginia [check out today's Towleroad - "'TRADITIONAL FAMILY' GUNNED DOWN BY GAYS IN WEST VIRGINIA WEB AD"], etc., etc., etc...,

any bets on the date he's planning for the American Kristallnacht?

last year was the 70th anniversary of the German one.

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana...

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by: jmichaeli @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 19:09:48 PM CST

THIS JUST UP ON HIS SITE:

He's gone ape sh_t:

February 16, 2009
This blog is ending
I have decided to cease publishing my views, hopes, observations and dreams on issues social, cultural and political. There's much real work to be done - including the use of brutal force and violence - and this endeavor is a waste of time.

Internet Patriots are a lot like Voyeurs; they watch but can't or won't do anything in real life. There's no time left for such useless people or hoping they will grow a pair.

As I undertake the acts that must be done, the rest of you can sit back and watch; after all, that's the only thing you're good for.
Posted by HalTurnerShow.com at 2/16/2009 03:17:00 PM

"They say that time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself." - Andy Warhol



"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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by: TruthandLove @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 19:23:41 PM CST

Oh Zoe beat me to it!

"They say that time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself." - Andy Warhol



"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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by: TruthandLove @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 19:24:17 PM CST

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He is joining one of the extremist groups

or worse, creating his own little John Wilkes Booth band of devoted believers who will do whatever outrageous act he feels necessary in the name of patriotism and to gain a page in history.

Booth believed himself a great patriot and also wanted fame.....and was a huge, hating narcissist. Far too similiar....

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 19:51:54 PM CST

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Booth believed himself a great patriot

That would fit with what he is believed to have shouted while leaping to the stage after he had shot the president:  

Sic semper tyrannis! ("Thus always to tyrants!", the motto of Virginia).

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by: oddjob @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 23:50:16 PM CST

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Oh fudge.

I'm guessing there's alot more going on; is he a Madoff customer too? A few of them have been spinning out of control lately...

There should be tracking collars on these nuts.

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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:50:52 AM CST

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The FBI needs to be contacted

Terroristic Threat: A terroristic threat is a crime generally involving a threat to commit violence communicated with the intent to terrorize another, to cause evacuation of a building, or to cause serious public inconvenience, in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. It may mean an offense against property or involving danger to another person that may include but is not limited to recklessly endangering another person, harassment, stalking, ethnic intimidation, and criminal mischief.

A quote from his article, "Your serious thoughts are urgently needed. I suspect the killing will have to begin very soon; likely within a couple months."  Seems to meet the general legal definition.

Besser ein ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne ende

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by: becca @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 22:07:53 PM CST

FBI Field Offices

Apparently Hal Turner lives in New Jersey.

Perhaps we should all start calling the New Jersey FBI field office.

FBI Newark
11 Centre Place
Newark, New Jersey
07102-9889
newark.fbi.gov
(973) 792-3000

This is today's entry by this man: http://halturnershow.blogspot....

I have decided to cease publishing my views, hopes, observations and dreams on issues social, cultural and political. There's much real work to be done - including the use of brutal force and violence - and this blog is a waste of time.

This man is very scary.  It takes a lot, I mean a whole bunch to scare the crap out of me and this man has tipped my scales.  I fear that he may be very serious and if even one life is lost it is far too many.

Besser ein ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne ende

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by: becca @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 22:25:18 PM CST

I'd never heard of this WHACK JOB

here's a video of the bloated slug.
   http://video.google.com/videos...
btw I would guess the FOLKS he thinks needs killing are queers and non whites.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 23:07:49 PM CST

NO...he is trying to catch up with ADOLF HITLER!!

It's the Hammer of JUSTICE,
It's the Bell of FREEDOM,
It's the Song about LOVE between,
my Brothers and my Sisters
...All over this Land.

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by: Orion45 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 23:18:28 PM CST

2nd Amendment

We have aright to defend ourselves against those who would harm us.  That's why the 2nd Amendment is so important.

They can't "get rid of you in an hour" if you have any ability to defend yourself.

Our Constitution is for everyone.

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by: tsokol1 @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 23:33:03 PM CST

The second revolution?

You mean they want to secede so they can create the Third World Jesusland they've always dreamed of?  

Let them.

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by: oddjob @ Mon Feb 16, 2009 at 23:43:54 PM CST

Should we or shouldn't we call the FBI (or someone)?

Step 2, guys?

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by: h3986 @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 00:20:41 AM CST

Hello Auschwitz.

____________________________________
Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.

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by: tavdy79 @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:04:38 AM CST

What's even scarier......

Is most gay activists would let the Hal Turner's of the country get away with genocide.

Even scarier than that, the GLBT "leaders" would passively turn everyone in the community over to him/them, and wouldn't say a single word, except to bitch out any dissent.

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by: bluegrassfool @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:27:28 AM CST

Well, fuck THAT.

This straighty says otherwise!

I can't stop what's going on in some of the redder parts of this country, but by bloody fuck I'll be damned if New England ("My Blue Heaven", as it were) is gonna stand for this!

If needs be, I'll sit on Olympia Snowe's front stoop with a megaphone and screech at 3am until proper anti-hate protection laws are passed in emergency session of Congress if need be- and I'll first visit every damned member of the 124th Maine Congress first to demand the same!

Passive, my fanny.

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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 04:57:14 AM CST

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Good!

Good to see at least ONE person stand up for himself/herself.  

Really, I see nothing like the holocaust happening, but I do see increased anti-GLBT violence in the future (until, if and when Obama does something about it).  

Until then, it would be nice if certain gay activists would put a sock in it, and accept that the GLBT community should do something like joining the Pink Pistols for self-defense.  When these nuts like Hal Turner sees that us queers can be just as trigger-happy as they are, maybe they'll back the fuck off LOL!

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by: bluegrassfool @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 09:43:54 AM CST

[ Parent ]

Turner's site

and the blog he wrote are linked directly back to this diary of mine.


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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 07:14:25 AM CST

Did anyone notice?

Never heard of the man before, but I just visited his blog. Tucked in between the worst of the posts is one telling how he watched a dog kill a racoon. Did anyone else notice that and find it very disturbing in the context of the other posts?

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by: Jeffrey Smith @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 07:27:59 AM CST

Missed that

but that it connected with his gray matter deeply is very disturbing.

No- he wasn't the one DOING it. But he related it... somehow he connected/identified with it. Makes one wonder what other violent acts he connects with.  

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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:15:23 AM CST

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As uneasy as I am about this,

I would at least note that "the last 50 years" encompasses the 30 years of Reaganomics and Reagan-inspired Christianist politics which have resulted in the financial meltdown we're facing.

Perhaps if we just sat him down and talked to him about it, he'd realize that he was really talking about offing himself...

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by: aggieric @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 08:36:31 AM CST

Exactly what I meant, re: Madoff

except I can see this guy heading for the local mall, too.

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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 10:53:37 AM CST

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Latest threat as of 11am today

here:

February 17, 2009
Just when I think I'm out. . . . . they drag me back in!

The Liberals are REALLY out for my blood. Apparently my talk about the pending second American Revolution and getting rid of the people who wrecked the country has them up in arms.

One of these imbeciles is so fixated on me for the last week or so that he insists I must be arrested by Homeland Security or the FBI or . . . . or. . . . . or. . . . . .SOMEBODY!!!!!! It seems to frustrate his child-like-intellect to no end that the agencies he mentions cannot arrest me because I haven't broken the law.

He then points to several of his wacko compatriots who have ended up in handcuffs for, what he says are far less transgressions than anything I've done, and wonders aloud why I am not in jail. The reason his fellow lefties got arrested and jailed in the first place is because unlike me, they are stupid.

Ya see, "the law" will do to a person, whatever they can get away with. It's the arrogance of power that causes such things.

But when it comes to a guy like me, three (3) key things prevent my arrest:
1) I know the law, having spent a fortune on legal research to make certain I never got jammed up, AND;

2) The cops know that I don't make bombs, I make bombers. As such, law enforcement has a well-founded concern that if they tried to jam me up for something I SAID, they would probably unleash a whole slew of Timothy McVeigh types, most of whom read this blog, tuned in to my radio show for the eight years it aired and are willing to blow up buildings to retaliate for me, AND;

3) They remember the "Clean Harry" situation in central New Jersey a couple years ago. Clean Harry posted a comment on my blog that caused the Secret Service to investigate him. They came and left. . . . . but returned to Clean Harry's house with a Search Warrant a few days later.

Clean Harry called me and within an hour, me and five or six carloads of guys with guns headed down toward Clean Harry's house. The feds found out we were on the way and the Secret Service tucked tail and left!

While Liberals protest, beat drums, carry signs and maybe once in awhile riot, MY kind of supporter rushes tumultuously to arms and heads out for a gun fight.

Anyway, I've never been one to run from a fight and with these child-like ninnies pushing for my arrest, I simply cannot walk away. I have to step-up ------ and I am.

There is a little problem though. Now that a particular dingbat from Hudson, MA has annoyed me sufficiently, I have to annoy him back. So I'll be reaching out to some of my Nazi Skinheads, Aryan Nations and Ku Klux Klan friends and put together a . . . . . . field trip . . . . to Massachusetts. This ought to be fun.

We'll take pics to circulate after its "done." In the meantime, this blog remains.

Oh, and the home addresses I promised to publish of the 246 members of the US House who betrayed America, will be published via a file sharing site and public newsgroups later this week.
Posted by HalTurnerShow.com at 2/17/2009 11:01:00 AM 0 comments

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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 13:00:14 PM CST

This guy...

...sounds like an immature bully.  Haha, he kind of makes me laugh.

"Now that a particular dingbat from Hudson, MA has annoyed me sufficiently, I have to annoy him back. So I'll be reaching out to some of my Nazi Skinheads, Aryan Nations and Ku Klux Klan friends and put together a . . . . . . field trip . . . . to Massachusetts. This ought to be fun."

Reads to me like:

"I'm gonna get my big brother whose a football player and and and he's gonna kick your ass.  So, you better be ready."  (With a stuck out tongue for added effect.)

Well, the fortunate thing about life in general is that people die and their ideas get lost.  Whether Hal Turner dies of old age years from now or as a result of retaliatory gun-fire in these alleged gun-fights he's supposedly so happy to get involved in...he won't be around forever.

Honestly, I think it'll be old age because he just seems like a total coward who likes attention and gets it by talking "tough".

He bowed out of his blog?  Yeah right!  He posted an inflammatory last-ditch entry for attention and we bit down on it.  Now he's "back in".  Oh, the internets!  Empowering small-minded men in their basements for years!

"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best day and night to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight and never stop fighting." -E.E. Cummings

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by: popsiclestand @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 20:17:02 PM CST

[ Parent ]

And just in case he's reading...

...which is completely possible because of his ego.

Mr. Turner, you can find me in Japan in the prefecture of Hokkaido in the city of Tomakomai.  Should you be able to get past Japanese customs which makes no qualms about throwing anyone in jail for even THINKING of bringing a firearm into such a peaceful country, AND, you can brave the coldest winter known to man without your balls shriveling, you will find me on the slopes snowboarding.

I will be easy to find as I am one of the only extremely tall black women on this island.

"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best day and night to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight and never stop fighting." -E.E. Cummings

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by: popsiclestand @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 20:25:23 PM CST

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Hal Turder

Why is his address not posted?  A visitation seems in order.

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by: joehammons @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 14:14:54 PM CST

I know Pam doesn't like posting anyone's personal information

but I feel on OTHER sites this guy should be exposed, he exposed 4 JUDGES home addresses not giving a sh*t what might happen to their families, when they supported gay families in CT.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 15:24:17 PM CST

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Fat little doofus Hal

You can attempt to rally your Klan friends, WE who have been terrorized in the past by these thugs aren't frightened ANYMORE.

You might want to consider an ARMY of people living with AIDS you won't recognise, or have a data base on, with NOTHING TO LOSE taking you on. And another ARMY will rise up behind us, and behind them. We'll be all ages, all colors, both sexes...and you won't have a clue when you are in PERIL.

"race, taste. and History finally overcome....and you ain't there"
by Tony Kushner

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by: peteyPornpig @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 15:34:33 PM CST

Knew we had discussed this guy before...

and just found the story here from almost a year ago.

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by: Louise @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 16:31:15 PM CST

There is more to Hal Turner's story than is obvious.

Hal Turner is a plant of some kind.  I don't know much more specifically than that, but he was outted at one point passing information on to the FBI.  The White Supremacists he'd gathered into his circle never took him seriously after that.

That may sound paranoid, and you might be thinking, there's no way that a government-funded or sanctioned person would be spreading this kind of crap, but it certainly isn't the first time.  I'd first encountered the phenomena in the first city I'd lived in, where a Constable was said to be aiding and feeding inside information to the local skinhead group, and getting involved vocally (albeit there was some attempting to distance his comments from his badge).  Fast forward a couple years, and the skinheads were scattered (mostly due to the work of the anti-racist groups, but of course the cops took credit), and this fellow is promoted... and starts a Hate Crimes Unit.

That's Canada, of course, where we also have the story of Grant Bristow, who'd infiltrated and half-directed the Heritage Front for something like 6 or 8 years before being outted by the press (big scandal over that too, that a government agent would be engaging in spreading hate and violence, and we all knew it was more than the Feds would admit to).  But from the stories I've heard flying around, the agencies in the U.S. engage in this as well... they just have a little bit more leeway in their methods.

Hal Turner is at a stage where he's trying to regain credibility, largely by raising the ire of bloggers and advocates.  His scandal's a few years old now, and he's hoping that people will have forgotten.  Press like this only helps him try to gather extremists to him again.  I get really pissed off that the state will actually encourage people to engage in spewing hate like this for the sake of espionage.  We don't need to let this turd regroup.

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by: Mercedes @ Tue Feb 17, 2009 at 19:01:33 PM CST