Prop 8 Press Sec. Sonja Eddings Brown issues "Big Love" instructions

This pleases me greatly

Mock the bigoted motherfuckers. Remind them that no, other christians in this country DO NOT LIKE THEM, think they're not christian and that they're perverted whackos, and no matter how much money they pour into anti-gay campaigns, it will never buy enough political influence to put Mittens on the 2012 ticket.

They opened their mouths and stepped into the ring, and now they're upset because they can't take the hits. Cry me a fookin' river. When gays stop being portrayed as deviant child molesting sluts in their media, I'll start worrying about respecting the baker hats.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 10:42:27 AM CDT

Amen to that last bit.

When gays stop being portrayed as deviant child molesting sluts in their media, I'll start worrying about respecting the baker hats.

By the way, that photo at top is from the front page of the Salt Lake Tribune website of all places.

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by: Chino Blanco @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 11:19:14 AM CDT

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All I ever wanted to know about Mormons

I learned from Matt and Trey...

http://video.msn.com/video.asp...

Lucy Harris, smart-smart-smart; Martin Harris, DUMB!

"It goes on one at a time, it starts when you care to act, it starts when you do it again after they said no, it starts when you say We and know who you mean, and each day you mean one more."

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by: Louise @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 15:24:13 PM CDT

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I don't have HBO

But I watch the show on DVD via Netflix as soon as each season is released.  It's a very fair representation of the FLDS life.

The fact that Dustin Lance Black is their head writer this year makes it a must-see rental.  Can't wait ...

"There are two kinds of people in this world -- the kind who separate the world into two kinds of people, and those who don't."  -- Gloria Steinem

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by: red7eric @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 15:14:52 PM CDT

When I hear Mormon or LDS,

Need I say more,,,

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 15:53:17 PM CDT

Catholics don't have "magic" clothes

I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic schools. There have been countless movies and TV shows that depict the vestments that Catholic priests wear during Mass.

Catholics don't get upset about it. Catholics don't think the vestments have some kind of magic power and they aren't concerned about them being shown on TV.

In fact, there's really nothing in a Catholic church that Catholics would object to being shown on TV. This includes the Sacristy, the room where sacred vessels and vestments are stored.

I find it very disturbing that Mormons have this level of secrecy regarding their sacred temple clothing. What are they trying to hide? It seems to me that they just don't want to be shown as being different by wearing strange costumes.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 15:57:18 PM CDT

Well kinda

Weren't scapulars kinda majic?  If you died during sleep wearing them you'd go right to heaven.  I argued with my mom that the people who died during sleep were probably strangled by their scapulars.  That didn't go over too well.

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by: sammyseattle @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 16:26:50 PM CDT

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Thank you, thank you, thank you.

If there's any significance between the Mormons and Scientologists, I don't know what it is.

If you were convinced you had the secret to happiness and everyone could benefit from knowing it, why would you keep it a secret?

It's nothing short of terrifying that this cult has grown to be this powerful, but the good news is that it has experienced no growth whatsoever for quite some time.  That this is connected to their secrets being exposed in the Information Age is obvious.  What you could sell to a bunch of 19th Century yahoos doesn't fly as far in the 21st Century.

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by: diablorobotico @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 16:46:36 PM CDT

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People in Utah are going Nuts...

Check out the Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News articles and comments.  Why is it ok for the LDS Church to make misrepresentations about and demean glbt people in their many campaigns against them in regards to what they hold dear, but expect special treatment for themselves and that which is precious to them?

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by: johnson @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 16:41:48 PM CDT

Precious or Embarrassing?

That's the point I was trying to make.

Do they really object to their religious costumes being shown on TV because they consider them sacred? Or, is it that they just don't want America to see them dressed up like something from an Arabian Nights movie?

I think they want to hide what they do inside their temples because they know most American Christians will view them as being some kind of strange pagan cult.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 16:46:57 PM CDT

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Fritz, I agree

I think the LDS are aware of how ridiculous they will appear if shown wearing their full regalia.  

I have to say, though, that the minute you said Arabian Nights, I was picturing LDS:  The Latter-Day Musical with JAZZ HANDS!  Kinda like a spin on Joseph and the Amazing Technicolored Dreamcoat.  Thanks for that image--it entertained me for two seconds.  

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by: asiangrrl @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 17:23:18 PM CDT

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Whoa! They are not Pagan

I am a Pagan; you know we are the peaceful co-existence-stweardship not conquest of the earth green tree hugging people. Woman as the representation of the love and creative power of the Goddess, that sort of thing.

Now, does that sound like a group that Mormons would be comfortable with?

No.

So let's not just dump our religious flotsam and oddities into the collective group "Pagan."

We don't like it any more that you'd like it if Pagans looked at the picture and said "That is soooooo Gay!"

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 17:58:59 PM CDT

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No insult intended

I was speaking from what I assume would be the "Christian" voice and experience.

They tend to call anyone who isn't a Christian "pagan" -- that includes Hindus, Buddists, Shinto, etc.

I should have put "pagan" in quotation marks. Sorry about that.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 18:10:50 PM CDT

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Now that you mention it,

that photo IS pretty ghey.

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by: Pollyanna @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 18:58:55 PM CDT

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Yes, that's it exactly!

It's okay to destroy my family, but don't even think about showing their secret sideshow to the world?  Despicable.

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by: diablorobotico @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 16:48:09 PM CDT

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That's some wacky outfit

Mormons are even weirder than I thought.

Since they are the Church of Political Expediency* maybe we can find a way to make it in their best interests to embrace the gay.

*US told them no polygamy if you want statehood, suddenly they reject one of their core principles

*Until the late 70s, they thought people who weren't white weren't actually people.  Civil rights laws finally went into effect and suddenly they reject one of their core principles.

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by: Cheryl @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 17:14:40 PM CDT

Ah, the benefits of "revelation"

It allows so conveniently for revisionist history. Which is why L. Whitney Clayton's statements about the lds support for equal-rights-just-don't-call-it-marriage on November 8th were supplanted with the "official" doctrine posted to the lds.org website on November 21st. In essence, everything Clayton said was a placating lie (**SHOCK!!!**SURPRISE!!!**), and the lds reserve the right to hate, denigrate, and de-humanize queers by opposing any sort of legally recognized relationship for our families. But they support hospital visitation! Though you couldn't tell that by the swift death of the Common Ground Initiative...

It's quite telling that back when Salt Lake City tried to set up a DP registry, the state legislature bitched and screamed at them until the city changed the name to "mutual commitment registry" so as not to have ANY possible connection to Those People.

Oh, and "a prophet is only a prophet when he's acting like a prophet." So even if Monson comes out and says the lds support marriage equality, they can take it all back the next day and claim he was talking out his ass and god didn't really mean it.

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 17:35:33 PM CDT

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Oh Boo-Effin'-Hoo

I'm Italian and my panties, yes - PANTIES - are NOT in a wad over "The Sopranos".

Decades more of abuse? - OR - Stonewall.  Nationwide.  NOW!

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by: John Bisceglia @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 17:49:31 PM CDT

Suck it up, bigots!

Amazing that the LDS want to fund campaigns telling lies about the motivations Queer people have for seeking marriage equality, but they don't have the dignity to lift the veil on their ceremonies, such as Endowment.

What are they doing behind the curtain?  Marrying children off to old trolls?  Raping unwilling females of all ages?  Biting the heads off live chickens?.... oh, wait, that's my father's Free Will Baptist Church.

I was nine years old when the Washington, DC, temple (actually in Kensington, MD) was open to the public prior to its dedication.  The largesse was sickening--hundreds of thousands could have been fed for their lifetimes with the money spent just of gold this and marble that.  I recall someone in the tour group with my family asking about garments, the guide going silent, and the visitor being led away, apparently off the temple grounds.

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by: greatwhitebear @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 17:57:46 PM CDT

Nag Hammadi library says...

Apocryphon of John, line 19: Do not make the kingdom of heaven a desert within you.

Thomas verse 77: Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them, it is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

Anyone who has seen the movie Stigmata will recognize those verses. Indeed, how much help could the impoverished have had from the money that built a monument to mormon greed had it gone to help the poor and downtrodden instead?

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 19:03:33 PM CDT

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But, but, but

then they wouldn't have all those pretty white buildings, and those gold filigreed baptismal fonts, and all those stocks and investments.

Cause any fool knows, a dog needs a home; a shelter from pigs on the wing

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by: QueerInSoCal @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 08:02:35 AM CDT

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cavorting

will they be parading around in their magic underwear too?  

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by: dards4444 @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 18:28:41 PM CDT

Ritual vs magic

The Catholics (Roman, Old, Independent, high-church Anglicans/Episcopalians, etc) and the big O Orthodox (Greek, Russian, etc) have fancy liturgical garments, but these aren't "magical", merely symbolic. Lutherans, Methodists, and other middle of the road Protestants retain some liturgical garments and use liturgical colors. None of these are "magical". They are "sacralized" - used only for church liturgy. It doesn't matter if outsiders see them.

I suspect that there's no big deal about temple garments either - that the objectionable part is enacting the liturgies themselves for the viewing by outsiders. Most Christians and Jews have been open about outsiders witnessing liturgies - after all, The Temple (in Jerusalem) is gone, and after A.D. 70 or so, everyone had to improvise worship outside a temple mindset. Outsiders may not participate in certain parts of Christian and Jewish liturgies - eg, for those Christian denominations that consider the Eucharist/ Lord's Supper a big deal, some have communion for people in good standing of that denomination, some have communion for every baptized person of whatever denomination, some have communion for everyone baptized or not.

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by: NancyP @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 19:35:03 PM CDT

All I want to know is...

...how the FUCK did Barb get a Temple Recommend?

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by: acidqueen @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 20:55:54 PM CDT

I believe this is the episode in which she is excommunicated

The church finds out she's a polygamist and kicks her out.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 21:41:44 PM CDT

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Okay, bitter irony moment here

I am a HUGE, HUGE, ENORMOUS "Big Love" fan. It is a sensational show, second only to "Mad Men" in my heart (among current shows). It has a magnificent cast, especially Chloe Sevigny's nearly Shakespereanly tragic, manipulative, Nicki.

But here's the irony - I cannot believe anyone watching the show would have any inclination to join a polygamous family, never mind the sick cult of the FLDS, because the show is totally clear on the sacrifices and jealousies present in even the best-meaning polygamous families (e.g., those comprising adults in consensual relationships), not unlike the MTV special years ago on polyamorous relationships. However, the show is also very compassionate about the faith that drives the family at the center of the show, and how it is both similar and different from the mainline LDS faith. The show demonstrates the ideal of the LDS church - the happy, productive family unit - while also showing how difficult it is to develop and maintain such a unit, no matter what your family structure (the conflicts among Barb's birth family - Barb is the wife shown in the picture - are in fact what lead to her excommunication hearing). Isn't that a pretty traditionally Christian message?

The show doesn't condescend to its characters, nor does it whitewash their lives. It is, in short, one of the few television shows exploring the dilemnas of faith in modern life, all the while showing total respect to the foundational principles of its characters' faith.  

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by: CPT_Doom @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 21:00:18 PM CDT

completely

agree. The only thing is - I watch it on DVDs, don't have and don't watch regular TV.

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by: avocado @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 00:14:56 AM CDT

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Let's talk about the Mormons part I

Hi Boys and Girls. Welcome to Ms Maura's Neighborhood. Today we're going to learn a new phrase
Can you say "murdering, polygamous cultish genocidal homophobes?

I think you can.

You see, a long time ago, two followers of Joseph Smith has a fight after Smith's death. His primary disciple, James Jesse Strang, was driven out with his followers by Brighan Young.

James took his followers to Michigan to look for a new home. But they couldn't find a new home there, so they decided to take other people's homes away. They went to a place called Beaver Island, where Irish families and fishermen lived, and began setting fire to their homes and boats, and beating the men and women to make them leave. They took over the largest village and names it St James, after James Jesse Strang.

What do we call that, boys and girls.

We call that bad, mean and selfish...and stealing and assault.

James Jesse Strang was a Mormon Prophet; that means anything he says is the law. One day he decreed that all of the women on the Island had to wear bloomers. When two women refused to, Strang had their husbands beaten til they could not move. Strang proclaimed Beaver Island, the place that the Mormons stole from the Irish and where the Irish lived still in one corner, a kingdom ruled by a Mormon Prophet. Can you say treason, boys and girls?

The United States, who really owned Beaver Island, sent a big, big ship, the USS Michigan, to the island....and then the two men who were beaten by Strang shot him. That wasn't good, was it, boys and girls? But they believed that they were killing a tyrant and the United States Navy agreed, since they gave them sanctuary on the Michigan...

So the mean, nasty land stealing Irish beating seccessionist theocrats went away, and the Irish got their island back but were stuck with the name of St James for the village since it had a post office....

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 21:29:07 PM CDT

Let's talk about the Mormons part II

First of all, boys and girls, there are a lot of good Mormon people. It is just their bad luck that their church prophets do bad things.

Let's join Brigham Young and his followers in their theology of make believe...

Brigham Young, just like Jame Jesse Strang, wanted his owm kingdom, too. He wandered far and wide, across the plains, decreeing the massacre of any Native Americans that they came across, because they were fallen people acccording to Jospeh Smith's book.

That wasn't nice, was it boys and girls?
Wholesale extermination based on story books is always bad.

Finally, Brigham Young and the Mormons found a place called Utah. But, guess what, boys and girls?

You guesssed it.
There were Native Americans and Irish there already.

So, Brigham Young sent out his men to kill the Native Americans and to beat and to try and to burn the Irish out of Utah. You see, the Irish had been mining and farming there for a long time already, so they didn't want to leave. So just like on Beaver Island, they gathered together for protection in a town called Corrine.

But Brigham Young didn't like that, so he set up a rule that Mormons could only do business with other Mormon owned businesses. These businesses are called "Deseret."

Doesn't that sound like "desert rat?"

The Irish were charged more for things, and because Brigham Young coltrolled the land around them, eventually the Irish all left.

When this was happening , Brigham Young declared his own kingdom. And any time that Native Americans showed up, the LDS church sent out men to slaughter them.

Do you know what happened then?
Right, Boys and Girls!

The United States really got mad at Brigham Young, and because Young was in a desert instead of on an island, the US sent an Army instead of a warship.

Warships can't travel through the desert, can they?

Brigham Young also upset people because he didn't like interracial children. He said Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so."  That was very mean, especially when he killed the children.

An army general named Thomas Kane, a man who built railroads, got Young to agree not to be a kingdon any more but the United States made him ruler of Utah anyways. The Army gave in because Brigham Young stole their cattle and horses and burned their supplies. Some soldiers died. Their children cried. Sometimes I don't think that Mormons like children unless they are girls bewteen 12 and 15. Then they make them into wives to make new babies.

When new settlers tried to come to Utah, Brigham Young made friends with the Native Americans and told them that they could steal the settlers wagons and supplies. But that was not working so well so the LDS Church thought of something new to do. They killed a whole wagon train themselves with some Native Americans helping, 120 men, women and children dead.

Does that sound like a good thing to do, boys and girls?

You're right, it isn't

And the few boys and girls who were survived were turned into Mormons, like the people that murdered their mommies and daddies. And the girls became wives to make new Mormons.

And to make it all worse, Utah put a statue of mean old Brigham Young who beat Irish and murdered people and killed parents and turned their little girls into wives in our nation's capital. That's sort of like putting a statue of Hitler there, isn't it boys and girls?

Yes, it is.

Maybe Black People and Native Americans and Gay people ought to take the statue down.

Brigham Young said lots of mean things. He said that Black people would be slaves always, even in Heaven. He made Utah into a slave terriroty.

And even to this day, the Mormon church, even though at allows Black people to become priests, says that they are made black because of pasy sins in other lives.

In 1950, a Mormon senator pushed to stop helping the Indians whose lands the mormons had taken and to force them out of Utah. He made sure that thet US didn't regoninise them as nations any more.

Doesn't that make you sad?

Now the Mormon Church wants to make gay and Lesbians people who are married not married any more. The Mornons controlling Utah wont stop polygamy or even make raids on polygamous towns, but they want to break up gay and Lesbians families.

They are very mean, boys and girls. Don't you think that maybe neighborhood trolley should stop going to Utah and we should just keep all of the mean people there and tell people that the LDS shouldn't be treated like a church but a mean people group, called a hate group, until they stop being mean?


I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 22:25:47 PM CDT

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and before any apologist says that Young had a benign policy towards Natives

there are multiple documented cases of starvation and disloaction and outright murder of groups of Native Americans despite the so-called conversion doctrine

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 22:29:04 PM CDT

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And they are still racially bigoted:

In the current, Church-authorized Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3, Lesson 31, entitled "Choosing an Eternal Companion" (p. 127ff), it declares in black and white:

"We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question."

"In an address to seminary and institute teachers at Brigham Young University on June 27, 1958, President Kimball, then a member of the Council of the Twelve, said:

"' . . . [T]here is one thing that I must mention, and that is interracial marriages. When I said you must teach your young people to overcome their prejudices and accept the Indians, I did not mean that you would encourage intermarriage.'"

And this official gem from the Council of Twelve in 2007:
"While some of our caucasian members may continue to take pride in the fact that in the pre-existence, we fought valiantly against Lucifer and his minions, while our negro brethren did not, we solemnly declare that any such feeling of pride is entirely unwarranted. Perhaps our dark friends in Jesus's pre-existent army were only doing the best they could with what psychological and emotional traits they had, which may have included a tendency to panic under pressure and an inability to plan for the future; we therefore have no right to judge them 'unworthy', any more than we would a handicapped person for not being as capable as a normal, real person. After all, every army needs cooks, janitors, and sanitation workers, even, from what we believe, pre-existent ones of spirit. We must leave the judgment to the Lord.

"We remind the world that the very musically talented Gladys Knight, a negress, has joined our church, and that basketball superstar Karl Malone, also of the seed of Cain, while not a member of our church, resided in Salt Lake City for many years. We also consented to allow those with the curse of Cain to receive all our church ordinances, and even trust them to officiate in church, a full TWENTY NINE years ago. We think these three facts say everything that needs to be said about our church's commitment to colored people. We therefore request that members of the media ensure that their representations of our church's doctrines and attitudes on race be accurate."


I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 22:48:06 PM CDT

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Oh, and since I am in Illinois

let's NOT talk about the Mormon Harry Reid and those 3 "unelectable" choices for the United States Senate.

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by: kevinchi @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 22:51:16 PM CDT

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Is this baby on line, Maura

Oh, baby...The Mormons want to play dirty in Illinois, huh?

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by: kevinchi @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 22:53:47 PM CDT

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a "negress"?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just blew a gasket.

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by: kevinchi @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 22:55:18 PM CDT

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That 2007 quote is satire

http://www.phawker.com/2007/12...

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by: Chino Blanco @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 at 23:59:05 PM CDT

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I dont believe that it is

It came from a site reviewing mormon racial policy

I tell you Chica that no greater abomination exists than women denying their spirit of sisterhood and instead becoming the oppressor. -Rebeca, Universidad Complutense de Madrid

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by: MauraHennessey @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 11:35:14 AM CDT

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When I was in high school...

The Mormon girls told non-Mormon boys who wanted to date them that they had to go special meetings of something called a Ward Youth Council. If they did, the girls promised to give them blow jobs.

Many of the boys went to the meetings and the Mormon girls agreed to blow them.

Then, the Mormon girls told the boys that they had to stop talking to their childhood friends because they didn't belong to the Ward Youth Council. The girls told the boys that if they joined the Aaronic Priesthood they would continue to get the best blow jobs and handy j's ever.

Some of the boys got tired of the Mormon girls and quit the Ward Youth Council. Others went on to the priesthood and then the Mormon girls dumped them and started giving blow jobs to other non-Mormon boys. By then, the boys were too brainwashed to realize that they'd been seduced into wearing magic underwear and dressing like nerds.

When you look for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will.

- Abraham Lincoln.

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by: Fritz @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 05:58:09 AM CDT

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I missed something

I've fallen into lurking for a while now (Life sux sometimes.)
But I think I must have missed something.

Again, the Church has refused to be goaded into a Mormons versus gays battle and has simply stated its position in tones that are reasonable and respectful.

So spreading lies about a group of people in ordr to deny them the same civil rights that you currently enjoy is "reasonable and respectful?" The fact that I'm now without health insurance because I lost my job and can't be added to my partner's health insurance is "Respectful?" The fact that your group is denying me civil rights because of your view of religious rites, and yet I still can have the religious right performed is "reasonable?" The fact that I pay the same taxes as my brother and sister and yet recieve less protection than they is "reasonable?" Well, I've got a response for you but will not post it, because it is NOT "reasonable" nor "respectufl!"

Certainly church members are offended when their most sacred practices are misrepresented or presented without context or understanding."

Yes, (as we say in the south) "Bless their little hearts" And I'm offened when my life, and who I am as a human bing and US citizen is presented without context or understanding... or, let's face, just smothered in lies, hatred and bigotry.


watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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by: belfrieboi @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 12:04:53 PM CDT

Just a side thought...

Found this under "The Articles of Faith" of mormonism on wikipedia (for what it's worth)

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

Didn't the law state that it would recognize marriage between smae sex couples? So spending millions of dollars, telling lies, and fighting to take away the rights granted by the law is obeying, honoring and sustaining how?

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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by: belfrieboi @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 12:10:45 PM CDT

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one more

right below that:

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men

watashi no yomeiri wa doko desu ka

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by: belfrieboi @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 12:11:58 PM CDT

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Even better, D&C 134

A declaration of belief regarding governments and laws in general, adopted by unanimous vote at a general assembly of the Church held at Kirtland, Ohio, August 17, 1835. HC 2: 247-249.

Verse 9 is pretty straightforward: We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.

But that was before Mittens won the straw poll at CPAC to be the Rethug nominee in 2012. Looks like we need another "revelation" to set things right!!!

God save ornery old queens! - kevinchi

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by: Keori @ Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 12:44:54 PM CDT

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