Texans, please don't let this flat-earth BS happen

Master's?

I can see a B.S. or maybe a PhD (piled higher and deeper), but not a Master's.

Wouldn't God be the only one who could dole out a "Master's"?  

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 12:15:14 PM CDT

The word that threw me ...

... was "Science."  A Master's in Theology in Creationism, maybe.  But science?  God hates science.

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by: red7eric @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 12:16:26 PM CDT

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Sorry...

I actually meant BS as a "Bachelor of Sh*t", not science.


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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 12:42:15 PM CDT

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Great!

I think it would be brilliant. Could you imagine the employment opportunities for someone who listed a Master's in Creationism on their resume? What a comical waste.

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by: bwl @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 12:32:38 PM CDT

LOL

You're wrong. Funny as hell, but so wrong... I pictured some poor sap making up a resume witht hat on it and folks just laughing.

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by: saywhat? @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:19:43 PM CDT

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Great in DoJ

Crappy degrees didn't stop those applying to the DoJ during W reign.  

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by: mowomo @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:25:26 PM CDT

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A lot of us are working on it

Which is why Berman had to file a bill.  He was blocked every step of the way in the administrative process.

In many ways this session of the Texas Legislature may be the death rattle of the the insanity.  They lost the Texas House Speakership when, split 76 R 74 D, all the Dems and around 8 sane R's banded together and elected a modererate Republican (Speaker Strauss) as speaker over the right wing bully from Midland who had controlled the Chamber for a few years.

The State Senate passed a bill which would use federal funds (even your Tax Dollars Pam) to legalize voter intimidation by voter ID requirement.  I do not expect it to pass the House, but I do wish the provision that tax dollars from North Carolina and elsewhere are to be used to educate voters on their loss of access to the polls in Texas had more national exposure.

I wrote about it on kos, but it got lost in the AIG meltdown.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...

To me it clearly violates the 26th Amendment, because the rights of some voters are abridged on account of age, as for example, few elderly persons have the alternative ID's proposed by our Senate, such as concealed weapons permits, hunting licenses and private pilot's licenses.  
I call this the Granny Get Your Gun act.  When we finish protecting the right to vote, we'll try to block this flat earth stuff too.

Many of the "Founders" of the 26th amendment,like me, are still around so we rememer it more than read it.  It does far more than grant 18 year olds the right to vote.  

By the way, I find it intimidating to me as a gay man, that the Senate is requiring a notice to be posted at each polling place reminding all voters that holders of concealed weapons permits and hunting licesnse have greater access to the polls than those without these permits.  I think it kind of intimidating, given Texas History, being reminded that someone inside may have a concealed weapon.  You see this from a prespective I do not share but honor.

Any thoughts?

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by: othniel @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 12:34:36 PM CDT

The state legislature is doing us proud yet again

This session has certainly been something to watch.  The fundies in Austin have been grasping for some time now, and it's almost funny to see this sort of insanity see the light of day.  Speaker Strauss has done a wonderful job keeping most of the GOP in line for the majority of this session, and I certainly hope he gets to keep his new job for a while.

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by: sput @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:56:06 PM CDT

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Please, we in Austin endure the fundie invasion

They are "in Austin" only because of the Legislature, and this year they actually are helping a few restayrants and local business stave off failure until they leave - on balance though I wish Midland's voter's would elect a sane person and spare us the invasion.

Frankly I wish we could put them in public stocks in the Warehouse District (Where most Gay Bars are) and pelt them with organic vegetables, but that is a thought I should not have.

Recently saw a prime San Antoino French Restaurant shuttered after being unable to obtain creadit,  25 now unemployed.  Austin's turn is coming, but probably not until the legislature leaves town.

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by: othniel @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:10:07 PM CDT

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Austin's turn is HERE

IBM, Dell, and all the semiconductors have been laying off gobs of folks.

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by: ElsieElsie @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:14:06 PM CDT

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Um, no...

I want a the Democrats to get control of the House in 2010 for the 2011 session where redistricting will be done. We need to get Senfronia Thompson in the Speakers chair. Straus can keep it warm for her this session, but I'm hoping his term as Speaker is short.

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by: craigkg @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:13:27 PM CDT

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My thoughts

By the way, I find it intimidating to me as a gay man, that the Senate is requiring a notice to be posted at each polling place reminding all voters that holders of concealed weapons permits and hunting licesnse have greater access to the polls than those without these permits.  I think it kind of intimidating, given Texas History, being reminded that someone inside may have a concealed weapon.  You see this from a prespective I do not share but honor.

I assume you are talking about a sign at the polls which says, "One of the Following Forms of Identification is Required to Vote", followed by a list.

I don't think it is intimidation to post the list. I am more concerned about what identification is acceptable, and more importantly, what identification isn't acceptable.

I'm also concerned about the fact that these identification requirements are proven to reduce voter turnout among traditional Democratic constituencies such as the elderly, working poor, etc.

Here's the problem:

The idea of making sure that only legally qualified voters cast ballots is a popular idea because it is common-sensical - which makes it difficult to argue against.

So, instead of opposing these efforts to ensure that only legal voters get to vote, what we should be doing is figuring out how this can be accomplished without discriminating against various groups of legally qualified voters.

I say this because it is popular to make sure that only legally qualified voters vote. I understand that this is the basest form of Republican demagoguery. but it is working for them.

It's exactly the same thing as when the Republicans whip up hysteria about Cadillac-Driving Welfare Queens. They do it to push their agenda.

The more resentment Republicans can whip up between various factions of the poor, working-classes, ethnic and racial groups, the easier it is for them to win elections because they can gain voters who are pissed-off because they think their neighbor down the street might have gotten an undeserved pound of cheese from the USDA they couldn't get for themselves.

Or put another way: There are more of us than there are of them, so, in order to win elections, Republicans have to piss in the pool so no one will want to go swimming. They constantly talk about how government is the problem because that discourages people from voting.

The Republican goal is to suppress the vote overall and then get their voters to the polls.

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by: oldbrit @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:40:50 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Wasn't Chuckie Norris want the State of Texas to secede?

  I remember reading it here I think.  Someone need to tell them they are building the fence on the wrong border.  Maybe some one could give them a compass and tell them to keep walking east until they find the edge.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 12:45:55 PM CDT

Brilliant

Perhaps the entire Republic of Texlahoma could become its own little backwards country.  But only if all of my friends in Austin, which is a pretty cool town, are given asylum by the US should they manage to escape.

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by: red7eric @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:06:52 PM CDT

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Agreed

Lived in Austin for a time and it WAS cool. Those poor folks, surrounded by nincompoops.

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:51:52 PM CDT

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Went to school in Austin, now a refugee in Dallas

Don't write all of us off.  I kind of like it here. ;)

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by: sput @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:59:43 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Austin WAS cool.

It's a lot more conservative than it was. I can't wait to get the f**k out of Texas. I agree, don't write Texas off, but don't give it more credit than it deserves.

The diffusion of innovation into a large body takes a proportionately larger period of time to occur than into a smaller body. Texas is no different.

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by: ElsieElsie @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:11:21 PM CDT

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Do what I did.

After 32 years in Dallas I moved to Liberal Oregon.  Like the Texas tourism ad says.  "Texas, It's like a whole other country".........YEAH, Mexico!

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by: Wes @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:48:23 PM CDT

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Uh, I don't have a problem with hispanic people, thanks.

Texas is, lucky for Mexico, very unlike Mexico.

We'd love to leave Texas for Oregon, or California, or New England.

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by: ElsieElsie @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 15:08:39 PM CDT

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New England

is awfully nice, but then again, I'm native. We're supposed to think that way! ;)

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 20:24:22 PM CDT

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My formative years

were spent in the woods of northwest Connecticut -- as close as you can get to New York City and still be in the middle of nowhere. As a result, I bear some cultural marks of a New Englander in spite of my southern plains provenance.

I'm extremely partial to New England. The husband is not partial to winter. He has never lived north of about 35 degrees latitude. Sigh.

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by: ElsieElsie @ Fri Mar 20, 2009 at 10:04:41 AM CDT

[ Parent ]

Got the best parts' version, I think

Lived there back around 1990 (pre-Dubya).

And even though I was a Mainer driving a lil truck with Massachusetts plates, I was never harassed for being from away. We rented a place out on Research Blvd (183), heading towards Round Rock.

Great people- FANTASTIC music- delish food. Good memories.

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 16:16:06 PM CDT

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Correct term is "Texoma".

There is a lake between Ok and Tx named Texoma Lake on the Red River.  So, they already use a name to describe the merger.

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by: Wes @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:51:04 PM CDT

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Blasphemy

The evidence for evolution is pretty overwhelming, making evolution one of the best supported facts in all of science. Isn't Berman's belief in creationism a roundabout way of saying God made the world ~6000 years ago, but deliberately made it look older. Wouldn't this therefore imply that Berman thinks that God is deceptive, and wouldn't that be a good example of blasphemy?

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by: RobF @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 12:54:00 PM CDT

Isn't this an oxymoron?

I believe in God, but I don't see how you could possibly do any sort of credible research to prove creationism. The whole of basis of the creationism is faith, which is the evidence of things that cannot be seen. Geez you learn that in VBS 101 lol. What's next, a bachelor's in Santa Claus Theories?

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by: kneil86 @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:02:33 PM CDT

I doubt it will pass.

For starters it could lead to Texan degrees no longer being recognised in other countries, especially other Western nations: other countries' scientific establishments aren't going to be keen on recognising the academic qualifications of a state that considers creationism to be "science".

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:04:48 PM CDT

They would consider that a badge of honor.

Spokes-dummies for ICR show up all the time on Origins, the creationist program on Cornerstone TV, and they are damned proud that the National Center for Science Education opposes them.  After all, it's full of godless liberal pinko commie homo Jews whose every waking moment is devoted to destroying God and His people.  

I'm sure they'd take a rebuff from one of those Communist countries like France or England in that same spirit.  America is God's country, the New Jerusalem, the Shining city on a Hill.  Heathens in places like Europe, which has no civilization at all, could never begin to understand the vibrant Christian faith that drives public policy in Texas.

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by: QScribe @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:21:23 PM CDT

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Perhaps in the short term they'd like it...

but when their universities and colleges end up closing down because no-one wants a Texan degree? They might change their minds then.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 18:45:19 PM CDT

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I'm confused

As I understand it, there are accrediting agencies which provide accreditation to schools that meet the standards.

Is the problem that the appropriate accrediting agency won't accredit them to offer their MS in Creationism?

It seems to me that it is none of the legislature's business what the accrediting agencies do, and it also seems that this school should be able to offer an unaccredited degree in anything they choose.

Is this an attempt to force accreditation so that students in this program can receive student aid, loans, and other financial assistance?

I think it would be brilliant. Could you imagine the employment opportunities for someone who listed a Master's in Creationism on their resume? What a comical waste.

I agree, except for one thing: When you hang your degree on the wall, it will only say. "Master of Science", it won't say "Master of Science in Creationism" since degrees do not usually have the major on them.

I'M REALLY NOT SURE ABOUT THIS:

If a student meets all of the general requirements for a Master of Science degree and their major is Creation Science, I'm not sure I object to it. A degree indicates you have completed the general requirements for the degree. A major is the focus and often only requires a small number of courses. Some majors are more useful than others.

I'd say that if the person had learned sufficient science to understand that the courses in creationism are bullshit, why shouldn't he have a major in creation science?

After all, I guarantee you that there are people who receive graduate degrees whose major focus was Nazi Eugenics.

The point that I am making is that actually important for people who actually have studied science and understand the scientific method, etc., to "major" in a bullshit area of science like creationism, so that they can dissect the theory and demonstrate why it is garbage.

additionally, people do get BS, MS, and PhD's in science for the purpose of studying scientific theories and evaluating them as historic and cultural artifacts. You can take courses in the history of science at any major university.

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by: oldbrit @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:13:18 PM CDT

It is the plan to have the graduates

 to work at the creation musuem.  When we write the Christionary, they would be a useful source for getting the definitions correct.  We could even raise the selling price of the Christionary 400% as it would be creationtificly certified.

If I make sense? it was quite by accident.

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by: HappyCat @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:22:26 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

We have to take this to the extreme!

LGBT people have to get these degrees in large numbers!

That way, we can only hire our own and we will be recognized as the experts in Creationism.

Imagine what will happen when 90% of the people who have these degrees are LGBT.

All we have to do is set up a nonprofit in Texas and start passing out the credentials.

We can offer other degrees, too.

- Heterosexual Studies
- Marriage and Family Protection
- Theological Law

Then, we'll outnumber the fundies and overshadow their bigoted opinions.

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by: Fritz @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:34:45 PM CDT

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LOL!

Fritz, you are BAD! Great idea.

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 16:17:49 PM CDT

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Well

Masters degrees focused on literature and other fictions are all Master of Arts degrees.  A Master of Disproving Creationism degree might be legitimate science but it seems to me their best best is to head towards that Theology masters.

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by: Rae @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:24:16 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

The Degree

You write:

When you hang your degree on the wall, it will only say. "Master of Science", it won't say "Master of Science in Creationism" since degrees do not usually have the major on them.

Actually, my master's degree (an M.S.) clearly states, "Master of Science in Organization Development," all on one line.

Besides which, a person's resume would clearly include the focus of an advanced degree; I can't imagine fielding a resume that simply said, "Master of Science" with no details.

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by: red7eric @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:28:31 PM CDT

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SORRY I GOT SO FAR OFF TRACK

My question is:

Isn't this an issue for an accrediting agency? Is this school accredited to grant ANY degrees? Why would the legislature interfere with the work of accrediting agencies?

If the legislature starts overriding the accrediting agencies, then university accreditation in Texas won't mean anything.

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by: oldbrit @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:20:57 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Huh?

If a student meets all of the general requirements for a Master of Science degree and their major is Creation Science, I'm not sure I object to it.

So, do you think we should give Master's Degrees in, say, Economic Geography to people who have only studied at the Flat Earth Society?

Giving a degree in science to someone who has only studied pseudo-science makes no sense whatever.

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by: QScribe @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:27:44 PM CDT

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Only if...

So, do you think we should give Master's Degrees in, say, Economic Geography to people who have only studied at the Flat Earth Society?

Only if the Flat Earth Society is accredited to grant the degree. That's why I keep asking about accreditation.

My comment assumes that they meet the general requirements at an institution accredited to grant the degree.

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by: oldbrit @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:46:53 PM CDT

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Let them grant this "degree"

Except for Fundie churches, where else in the reality based world could they take a degree like that and be taken seriously?

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by: Phil @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:42:51 PM CDT

Beware

If some job - particularly a government job - stated that a requirement was 'a masters degree', and some nutcase with one of these 'degrees' uses it to fulfill the requirement and is rejected, its a guaranteed discrimination suit based on religion.

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:55:42 PM CDT

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Yes, but when applying for a job, govt. or other

Wouldn't a masters degree have to be in a relevant field?  What kind of government or private sector jobs would this type of degree qualify someone for?  Even if they did manage to snag the job, they certainly would fail at it.

Of course, they might qualify for a job on Wall St., since apparently competence is not a factor for success there.  Another possibility is an IT-type position.  When I worked in an IT department years ago, most of the higher-ups had degrees in music, which I could never understand.

Also, what about creditation by a legit authority?

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by: Phil @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 16:11:56 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Not necessarily...

many civil service jobs require only a certain level of ability, and that can be signified by a certain level of academic achievement. The specific subject then becomes irrelevant.

Relevance is only important if you wish to progress to something like a PhD - in which case a Creation Science degree would ONLY be useful if the focus was on debunking, rather than supporting, Creationism's claims.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 18:57:04 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

For jobs that do not require specific technical knowledge, the best degrees

are those from elite private colleges or from honors programs at a large state college. The employer expects that these graduates will have had to write many papers in a variety of formats, and that the instructors will have held the students to some reasonable standard of organization, logic, comprehensible writing style, and standard grammar and spelling.  

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by: NancyP @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 19:22:43 PM CDT

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It's the thin end of a very big wedge,

an attempt to backwards-establish "credentials" for this pseudo-scientific BS. It's the same reasoning that has caused them to start their own publications so that they can say papers espousing this crap were "published in a respected scientific journal."

This degree will enable them to say that they have "scholars with advanced degrees" endorsing their twisted version of science.

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by: Sharoney @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:36:53 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

They already do have "scholars with advanced degrees".

However they're usually theology degrees.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 18:58:24 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

I believe

I don't believe I came from a salamander that crawled out of a swamp millions of years ago

I believe he'd have to evolve upward to attain the intellect of a salamander.

>^..^<

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by: KatRose @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 13:53:27 PM CDT

There has already been a federal court ruling

that creationism, aka intelligent design, is religion not science.  When I think of the lawsuits these boxtoed yobbos are letting their state in for--the time, energy and enormous sums of money that will be wasted defending this nonsense--my poor queer head positively spins.

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know whether the KY legislature really did pass a law once that defined pi as 3.0?  I think it's an urban myth, but it's too delicious to let go of.  

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by: QScribe @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:34:30 PM CDT

I can hear the commercial,

Are you stuck in your present job with no real chance to get ahead? That's because there is no such thing as evolution.
Would you like to train at home for a better career and a chance to make more money? Because God rewards those that follow him with great wealth.
At the Institute of Creationism you too can learn how man was created from dust, and woman was made from man's rib in order to serve him.
Do you struggle to understand the complex issues of science? No problem, we here at he ICR don't believe in any of that foolish drivel. You will use simple circular proofs to verify the existence of the Divine Lord-Our-God, and to confirm that he did infact create the earth in just six days. You will become a qualified professional just like those other leading scientists, but won't burn in hell like they will.
So call us today, we're just a prayer away.


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by: belfrieboi @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:38:48 PM CDT

But wait!

Call in the next twenty minutes (because we can't do this all day) and we'll double the offer!  That's TWO Master of Creation Science degrees for just $19.95!  That's a $40, 995 value, yours for just $19.95!

And as our special gift, we'll throw in TWO keychain lights!

Call now!  1-800-555-WWJD.

(I hear the ShamWow guy is in line to be their pitchman.)

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by: QScribe @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 19:24:42 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

ARGH!

As I'm reading along and paging down, I'm thinking, "SHAMWOW TIME!!"

Fuck. Beat to the punch. ;)

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 20:29:04 PM CDT

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Nyah, nyah, nyah!

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by: QScribe @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 22:59:44 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

PhD in Applied Lesbianism?

Hey, I think that it is great!
We can open an unregulated university on the border and turn out D Div, Pagan Sapphism anbd other related firlds by the truck load.

In reality, the bill would make degrees from any private texas school worthless

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by: MauraHennessey @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 14:59:01 PM CDT

Cool!

I was just looking for a Master's Degree in Satanic Worship with emphasis on Ritualistic Human Sacrifice and now Texas wants to open the door for me to get it :)

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by: TheAngryFag @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 15:30:00 PM CDT

I suggest you perform your experiments...

at the Institute for Creation Research, and obtain your materials from them as well. Meanwhile I'd like to take the opportunity to write a thesis, using as my abstract the theory that the state's average IQ would rise steadily with each experiment you perform.

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 19:04:33 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

And I want a degree in Erotic Techniques, with a focus on male-male sex

I hope my hubby doesn't mind.  It's all in the name of science, you know.

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by: Phil @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 16:15:26 PM CDT

Be careful

You might have unwanted guests like The Peter, wanting to photograph your study/work sessions. As you say, it's all in the name of science.

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 16:20:39 PM CDT

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That would be just too much fun!

We'd have him first apopletic and then catatonic!  

"These, Peter are erotic fruits and vegetables, watch what we can do with them.  First we put a radish here, and then a whole melon there.  Then we add whipped cream, using real whips.......  These, Peter are zucchinis, first we put them here and there, and then add hollandaise sauce, using a real Hollander........"

They'd have to carry him out on a stretcher.

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by: Phil @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 16:59:05 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Hmmm...

May I sit in and take notes? ;)

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 18:22:25 PM CDT

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Perhaps I should show you...

the correct application of butternut squash in such situations, especially the importance of sufficient lubrication for such a large vegetable.

But why limit yourself to fruit and vegetables? There's plenty of meat options to try. Barbecued Welsh dragons* give a definite heat when applied correctly, however they're not particularly cheap or easy to get hold of. Of course there's nothing that can compare with some prime Scottish beef - though if you want some bread, I'd recommend a nice French stick. Or perhaps both at the same time.

(*Welsh dragon = pork, leek and jalapeño sausage)

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by: tavdy79 @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 19:29:01 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

Damn, now I'm hungry!

BTW, have I ever mentioned my maiden name in Welsh means "to destroy"?

That's what my mom once told me, anyways. Don't know how true it is... but it's a cool family legend!

And that sounds alot more fun than the ice cube therapy applied during our last "scientic experimental session" here- I so owe Charlie payback! ;)

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 20:34:07 PM CDT

[ Parent ]

The first step in Texas is to write up your bill,

then find someone to introduce it.  Where's Kinky Friedman when we really need him?

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by: Pollyanna @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 16:26:46 PM CDT

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It's all about the money - getting students eligible for federally backed loans

The government doesn't issue federally backed loans for explicitly sectarian theological or vocational training for ministerial or adjunct jobs. (Federally backed student loans will cover religion courses as part of a liberal arts degree. Such courses would have to be "academic" in content, and not practical - courses in Biblical Hebrew are ok, courses on how to give sermons are not ok.)

ICR wants to do more than merely train one or two future employees. This is intended as a money making scheme. The organization could train a sizable number of students if these students could find a way to pay for the degree. Federally backed student loans are not issued for non-accredited schools, and other commercial lenders ought to be even stricter (in theory), since defaults wouldn't be covered, and a degree in creationism is hardly a convincing entree to a job that would enable the former student to successfully retire the loan.

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by: NancyP @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 19:15:20 PM CDT

Of course it is. Isn't everything they do?

Falwell's Liberty University has been selling mail-order theology degrees for some time now--at a cool $1,000 a pop. I'm sure ICR recognizes the vast, untapped market out there and wants its slice of the pie.  Just about everything these shysters do is about market share.

Cynic, n.  A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.  
-Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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by: QScribe @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 19:30:33 PM CDT

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Hey, I've got an idea!

Let's start offering them for $500- make a bundle and throw LU out of business at the same time.

Click HERE and sign up: Campaign For Military Partners

Click here for DADT photobook

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by: Louise @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 20:36:49 PM CDT

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I'm thinking of a PhD

Since knowing another language is an asset, I'm going to go for a PhD in Ig-pay Atin-lay. Then when DADT is overturned, I can pursue a military career with it. After all, I won't be allowed to be an iest-pray in the Atholic-cay Urch-chay.

-Ted

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by: mandt @ Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 22:03:42 PM CDT