I've made it to the initial round for favorite progressive blogger in the Air America Cruise Contest. I have to stay in the Top 5 before the second voting round begins, so your vote is appreciated! First voting round:
The Christian Civic League of Maine's Mike Hein calls Pam's House Blend: "a leading source of radical homosexual propaganda, anti-Christian bigotry, and radical transgender advocacy."
He is "praying that Pam Spaulding will "turn away from her wicked and sinful promotion of homosexual behavior."
(CCLM's web site, 10/15/07)
Ex-gay "Christian" activist James Hartline on Pam:
"I have been mocked over and over again by ungodly and unprincipled anti-christian lesbians."
(from "Six Years In Sodom: From The Journal Of James Hartline," 9/4/2006, written from the "homosexual stronghold" of Hillcrest in San Diego).
"Pam is a 'twisted lesbian sister' and an 'embittered lesbian' of the 'self-imposed gutteral experiences of the gay ghetto.'" -- 9/5/2008
Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth Against Homosexuality heartily endorses the Blend, calling Pam:
A "vicious anti-Christian lesbian activist." (Concerned Women for America's radio show [9:15], 1/25/07)
"A nutty lesbian blogger." (MassResistance radio show [16:25], 2/3/07)
Pam's House Blend always seems to find these sick f*cks. The area of the country she is in? The home state of her wife? I know, they are everywhere. Pam just does such a great job of bringing them out into the light.
--Impeach Bush
who monitors yours Bevis ?? Just thought I would drop you a line,so the rest of your life is not wasted.
While the Senate Majority Leader personally believes in one-man, one-woman marriage, the firmly believes it's a waste of LDS church resources to interfere with a state on ballot initiatives. It's a smackdown that has the church reeling. (Salt Lake City Trib):
Washington » In a meeting with gay-rights activists last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid criticized the LDS Church for backing a ballot measure banning same-sex marriage in California, saying the leaders of his faith should have stayed out of the contentious political fight.
Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, is the highest ranking elected official who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He previously has not commented on the flood of Mormon money and volunteers who helped propel Proposition 8 to victory in November.
But three organizers of the past weekend's National Equality March said Reid brought up the topic during a conversation in his office. "He said that he thought it was a waste of church resources and good will," said Derek Washington, a Nevadan who worked as the outreach director for the march. "He said he didn't think it was appropriate."
LDS Church officials declined to comment Monday. But Frank Schubert, campaign manager for the pro-Prop 8 movement, said: "All churches have not only the opportunity to speak out on important public issues, but really a moral obligation to do so."
Well they can speak out all they want, it's another thing to empty the coffers to promote discrimination.
This week in Salt Lake City and San Diego, the protest continued over the recent roughing and cuffing of two gay men caught kissing on an LDS "public" thoroughfare. Sunday's event in Salt Lake City involved about 200 prokissers of various sexual orientations. Although met with sign-holding anti-affection shouters, the group wandered onto LDS property and kissed without incident. As with the first kiss-in protest, LGBT allies were prominent and outspoken in their support.
[S]everal gay couples moved to the plaza for kissing and hand-holding, along with straight couples such as Peter Saunders, a Salt Lake City software designer, and his wife of 37 years, Gerda.
"There's no need for controversy and hatred, especially in a beautiful environment like this," said Saunders, raising his right arm toward the temple.
LDS Church members in support of the protest, and troubled by their church's support last fall for California's Proposition 8, also made a showing. One handed out fliers promoting an online petition for reconciliation between the church and the gay and lesbian community. Another, 25-year-old Brigham Young University graduate Kate Savage, attended with her boyfriend, Tristan Call.
"It's as if the doctrine of the importance of families we're taught is used to destroy other people's families, and we don't understand that," Savage said.
Another kiss-in was held outside a San Diego Mormon temple on Wednesday. In contrast to the Salt Lake City affair, the 30 or so prokissers snogged in the sunshine free of counter-protest.
Shall we take LDS Church spokeswoman Kim Farah's unwillingness to comment on the latest kiss-in as a sign that her employer regrets it's earlier iron-fisted crushing of affection?
UPDATE: Join the Impact is organizing The Great Nationwide Kiss-In on August 15th in response to several recent arrests of gay couples kissing in public in TX as well as the UT case described here. We'll have more on this later, but for now check out JTI's page.
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* Kiss'll get you cuffed in Salt Lake City * Kiss-in on Main Street
H/T BethCA66. About 100 people pecked and smooched today in support of the Salt Lake City gay couple who got roughed up by the homophobic LDS anti-PDA squad. According to the SLC TribuneLGBT Allies took a prominent role in the lighthearted by meaningful protest
Wearing bright red lipstick, Isabelle Warnas smiled and planted a big kiss on her husband's cheek, something she said she has done often under the spires of the LDS Church's Salt Lake Temple.
"Nobody has said a thing to us," the 50-year-old Salt Lake City resident said.
This time, though, they had an audience of more than 100. They were gathered for a "kiss-in," staged Sunday morning at Main Street Plaza to show support for a gay couple who say they were detained by Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints security guards after one man kissed the other on the cheek Thursday.
"My husband and I can not understand the discrimination," Warnas said. "This is not right."
LDS guards made sure that nobody showing affection set foot on LDS soil. What a sad commentary on the LDS that they actually consider an outdoor peck on the cheek an "objectionable activity". What's next, seven lashes for looking winsomly at your co-perambulatory unit?
A gay couple says they were detained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints security guards after one man kissed another on the cheek Thursday on Main Street Plaza.
"They targeted us," said Matt Aune, 28. "We weren't doing anything inappropriate or illegal, or anything most people would consider inappropriate for any other couple."
The pair stood their ground rather than move on, as apparently the security guards asked them to do. They were subsequently roughed up handcuffed, and given a trespassing citation by the later-arriving police. Does anyone doubt that they were confronted by security because they're gay? No. But here's the rub: Main Street Plaza is now, apparently, private property.
The plaza has been the subject of a complex land and public easement trade between the LDS church and Salt Lake City. According to ACLU of Utah, the court ultimately ruled that although the plaza still effectively serves as a main pedestrian thoroughfare through downtown Salt Lake City, it is now private property and activities there can be controlled at the whim of the church. So technically the two men probably were trespassing if they didn't leave immediately when asked. But I have to say, looking at the picture of the central location of that plaza, that this almost amounts to entrapment. Walking that thing must be like running a gauntlet for emotionally healthy gay people living honest lives.
The LDS may have lied said that they support civil unions for their beloved defective gay brethren, but apparently they expect those unions to be affection-free. The LDS should be deeply ashamed for pulling muscle over something so beautiful as a carefree peck on the cheek.
Blender Beth pointed me to this insane thread on the Mormon Apologetics Board, " Is chemical castration an option for LDS gays?, Why not reduce inappropriate sex drive?" where this is method of de-gaying is discussed -- and it's no joke.
[I]s chemical castration an option for LDS gays? I mean, if you're faithful LDS & accept that for whatever reason the Lord has put you on Earth as a "eunuch" (best case, if you can stay strong), why should you have to struggle with incessant thoughts that are not just inappropriate now, but will be inappropriate in the next life, too, only serve to pervert any desires to have children in a celestial relationship in the next life. There is zero point to having homosexual thoughts, it's not as though they're a normal part of the procreation process - they're just an annoying, perverted form of biology, entirely worthless.
And this from, heaven help us, a psychiatric social worker:
I have considered this dilema for years, but don't think much of it these days. "What is, is; what ain't ain't." Persons with sever mental illness do take medications, necessarily so! They take them with informed consent, voluntarily, and with increasingly greater success. If there are medications, which there are, that can help an alcoholic check his/her drinking should we suggest that the alcoholic not take the medications based upon the idea that it robs him of moral agency? What about the diabetic? I have seen diabetics, craving sugar, eat themselves into various stages of neuropathy. Medication can help stave off those cravings. Can we possibly suggest that because it would rob them of moral agency a diabetic should not take medications? In my view it would be immoral for those responsible not to do everything possible to get the person so sticken to take the medications that will provide the help they desperately need. If there is a chemical solution to help a chronic adulterer or a gay man acheive sexual sobriety, and worthy entrance to the temple, I AM ALL FOR IT. I don't remember questions on the temple recommend interview asking the kind of medications I take or why I have to take them. Do you?
Over at PostMormon.org, this garbage is shredded. See below the fold.
A Blender named Beth did this video, "Gay Civil Rights Movement is Our Civil Rights Movement," and wanted me to share it with you. The provocative piece is worth your time.
Making this video has left me drained, speechless and sad. I am triracial: African American, Native American and various flavors of European American. Although we're triracial, my family and I primarily identify as African American. Mormonanswerman (a YouTube user) has claimed that African Americans do not like to have comparisons drawn between the GLBTQ civil rights movement and the African-American civil rights movement. Speaking as an African American, the comparison holds true. The history of discrimination may be be different, but the effects of hatred, bigotry and bias are the same.
In the course of reading through Fred's docs, one name in particular caught my attention: Debi Hartmann. Could this be the same Mormon mom whom I'd recently seen speaking in support of her Local 5 union and its affirmative stance re marriage rights for all? Indeed it was, and here's Debi making her case around the 4:25 mark:
In recent months, some gay activists have barraged the media with accusations about "hateful" attitudes of Latter-day Saints in supporting Proposition 8 in California, which maintained the traditional definition of marriage. They even organized a protest march around the Salt Lake Temple. Again, the Church has refused to be goaded into a Mormons versus gays battle and has simply stated its position in tones that are reasonable and respectful. Meanwhile, missionary work and Church members in California remain as robust and vibrant as ever, and support for the Church has come from many unexpected quarters - including some former critics and other churches.
"There's gonna be lies, and secrets, and discoveries, and problems. Television!"
And it looks like Tom has now delivered on his promise:
------ Forwarded Message
From:Sonja Eddings Brown /sebmedia@msn.com/
Date: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:49 PM
To: Chino Blanco
Subject: We do not want to increase the exposure to Big Love by responding to HBO
Public Affairs Representatives:
Many of you will see or hear about the impending broadcast of LDS Temple ceremonies and exploitation of our sacred temple clothes by HBO "Big Love" this week. TV Guide will deliver an ad showing one of the "Big Love" polygamist wives dressed in full temple clothes. It is already circulating on the internet. As has been their practice, the creators of "Big Love" hijack our customs and sacred symbols and misrepresent them in settings of their own making. Please be aware that the executives of HBO made a commitment to the LDS Church at the outset of "Big Love" that they would never desecrate our sacred rites or clothing in promotion or in their drama.
Our Church leaders are fully informed and are considering whether to dignify the show with a response.
The head writer of "Big Love" this season, is Dustin Black, the recent Oscar-winner for "Milk." Raised a Mormon, he is clearly versed in our culture.
Brothers and Sisters, "Big Love" is not a ratings winner and we don't wish to build their ratings for them. TV Guide does not experience the readership it once had. Some of your friends and neighbors will see the images in print and see our temple ceremonies acted out in the drama. Perhaps the greatest position of strength for us, is to stand by our beliefs and teach the gospel. No, HBO does not represent accurately the sacred dress or beliefs or ceremonies of the LDS Church. Yes, like the Catholics, the Jews, the Muslims, the Buddhists and many other faiths, we do have some sacred ceremonial clothing for our Temples.
Our Temples are places where we unite our families forever. They are places where we go to learn the highest principles of character, honor, and devotion to God. That's what we can share with our neighbors and friends, and that kind of answer will no doubt....satisfy their questions.
Unless otherwise directed, at this sensitive time, I suggest that Public Affairs leaders NOT urge response to the TV Guide ad, or to the HBO program.....and avoid increasing the show's ratings or attention.
According to industry sources, "Big Love" will end this season.
Heheheheh. Jim Burroway of Box Turtle Bulletin has an update that suggests the Mormons got caught with their pants (on fire) down again.
According to one of our regular commenters, the LDS church is washing its hands of the email sent by one of its bishops to his Nauvoo, Illinois ward urging them to call on state legislators to quash a civil unions bill. I'm still looking for an original source, but in the meantime I'll go ahead and pass this on:
As is widely known, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of traditional marriage. The Church has not taken a position on any legislation currently being considered by the Illinois State Legislature. The Church did not send an e-mail to its members in regards to House Bill 2234, although a false report to the contrary has been circulated. An e-mail was sent from a local Illinois Church leader to his congregation - one of 129 congregations in the state - who was free to express his own views."
-- Scott Trotter, Church spokesman
Contrary to how Trotter characterizes our reporting on this, I thought I explained it pretty clearly. This came from one bishop in one ward. In my post, I said "at least one ward" because I find it hard to believe that members of this ward were the only ones to receive such a message.
The underlying message on their end is -- "man overboard, this was a rogue act." FAIL.
NOTE FROM PAM: The LDS continues to inject their anti-gay agenda to other states, and again show that the church confirms again that it not only wants to "protect marriage," but to keep gay and lesbian couples from obtaining any legal status for their relationships, in this case civil unions in Illinois (HB 2234) . I also received this email last night - it was sent with the blessing of Bishop Chris Church of the Nauvoo, Illinois 3rd Ward.
The LDS needs to come clean about its prior statement that it has no problem with civil unions, never mind why it's inserting itself, yet again, in another state's politics regarding the issue of CUs. And why is an intervention like this being circulated in secret? If the church's position has changed on the matter, shouldn't they be willing to say so publicly and defend its actions, given the behavior of its leadership and flock during the Prop 8 fracas? I'm sick of the pious acting like a bunch of mafia gangsters.
------ Forwarded Message
From: (redacted)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009
To: (redacted)
Subject: Nauvoo Ward Spreading Lies/Fear to Oppose Civil Unions
The following official email was just sent out (via the LDS Church website) to all the members of the Nauvoo 3rd Ward, as approved by
Kristy Combs, ward website administrator, and by Bishop Chris Church of the Nauvoo 3rd Ward. (Because it was sent through the LDS
website, it required the authorization of a bishop or higher.)
I am stunned and angered by the misinformation being spread in such an official church communication through the LDS Church website.
Once again, "our children" are the reason for spreading hatred, hysteria, and lies.
And did they not get the memo that the LDS Church is not opposed to civil unions?
PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY. And if you live in Illinois, contact your legislators to support this bill!
It looks like "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" don't apply when these alleged "protectors" of marriage get stirred up by Utah Governor Jon Huntsman decided to publicly support civil unions. (Deseret News):
The day after declaring his support for civil unions, Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. canceled a press conference and held other meetings at the governor's mansion rather than in his office in the Capitol.
His spokeswoman, Lisa Roskelley, declined Wednesday to comment on any threats that may have been received by the governor's office. She said the majority of the calls and e-mails made to the office, however, were to say "thank you."
Huntsman's statement that he backs civil unions "in the broadest sense" as well as the "Common Ground" legislative initiative intended to extend the benefits of marriage to gay and other couples sparked protests at the Capitol Wednesday that included lawmakers.
As you might imagine, the hilariously deranged homophobe in the state legislature, Sen. Chris Buttars (R), had to weigh in.
Sen. Chris Buttars, R-West Jordan, was circulating a statement warning that civil unions in Utah "would threaten marriage and religious freedom." He was asking his fellow GOP senators to sign the statement if they agreed.
Buttars, who said he didn't want to discuss the statement written by the Marriage Law Foundation, said it would not be forwarded to the governor. "No. It's just a statement. I don't think it'll go anywhere," he said. "I just wanted people to read it. It's very well-written."
About 300 people braved driving rain to take part in Saturday's march on the Utah Capitol, a peaceful event marking possibly the most expansive legislative push for gay rights in state history. The event was timed to coincide with Monday's start of the 2009 legislative session in which lawmakers will take up a bundle of bills collectively known as the Common Ground Initiative.
These five bills would make it illegal to fire an employee or evict a tenant for being gay or transgender, provide wider rights for inheritance and health insurance and give same-sex partners the ability to sue in cases of wrongful death, among other things.
"The era of discrimination, fear, hatred and prejudice is coming to an end, said openly gay Unitarian Church Reverend Sean Dennison, addressing the crowd. "I would like to see Utah take the surprising step and lead the way."
Backed by a coalition of 30 gay activist and human rights groups, the bills have been carefully crafted to avoid the loaded topic of gay marriage and to fit with statements issued by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the aftermath of Proposition 8 banning gay same-sex unions. Though steadfastly opposed to same-sex unions, the LDS Church has clarified it does not object to granting certain rights to same-sex couples.
We shall see if they were telling the truth or not. The LDS leadership used lies in it's efforts of pass H8
There is an interesting look at the roller coaster ride of the image of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 2008, from the rise and fall of Mitt Romney's presidential bid to the Mormons hopping in bed with the Catholic church and conservative Christian evangelicals to raise millions for Proposition 8 in California. It's worth the read. A snippet of the SL Tribune piece by Peggy Fletcher Stack:
In March, Mormon leaders were chagrined by news accounts of three Mormon missionaries in Colorado who apparently desecrated a Roman Catholic shrine. Though the Catholics ultimately forgave the missionaries for their vandalism, a month later the Vatican issued an order, blocking LDS access to Catholic parish records because of the Mormon practice of baptism for the dead. The move caused widespread hand-wringing among genealogists everywhere, including Catholics.
Catholics and Mormons later put aside their differences to become allies on a different political issue -- gay marriage.
In June, Mormons joined the Preserve Marriage Coalition at the request of Archbishop George Niederauer, the San Francisco Catholic leader who had previously led the Diocese of Salt Lake City. The First Presidency sent a letter to all California Mormons, urging them to support a ballot measure known as Proposition 8, which defined marriage as exclusively between a man and a woman.
The same Evangelical groups that had demeaned Mormonism as a cult during Romney's campaign were now the LDS Church's allies in the California fight.
"These new defenders of the Mormon faith have long been the most prolific Mormon-bashers in the nation," said Wayne Besen, executive director of the Brooklyn-based gay-rights group Truth Wins Out. "[The two groups] have nothing in common but their anti-gay rhetoric."
Brigham Young University removed the photographs of art student Michael from the exhibition of its Fine Arts class. They then rearranged the remaining art works so that it was not obvious that they had censored anything.
The offending art? Pairs of pictures showing a gay BYU student and his or her supporter. The viewer is not told which is which. The photographs are beautiful. One is after the fold, the others can be seen here and in later diaries on Michael's blog.
Here is the artist's statement accompanying the photos at the show (while they lasted). This is a beautiful sentiment, making the censorious actions of BYU all the more sad.
"Civilization is the process in which one gradually increases the number of people included in the term 'we' or 'us' and at the same time decreases those labeled 'you' or 'them' until that category has no one left in it."
- Howard Winters
Love or hate California's Proposition 8, one fact-based thing we can take away from the campaign is that the First Presidency (the Prophet and his two counselors) of the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) told their church membership to "do all [they] can to support the proposed constitutional amendment." There is now precedence for the LDS' prophet to tell its members how to vote on very public, controversial issues.
So, if Mitt Romney were to become the Republican Nominee for President in 2012, could the political activism by the Mormon Church hierarchy become be an issue of higher order than the John F. Kennedy/Pope issue of 1960? I tend to think so.
The key role played by the LDS Church in passing California's gay marriage ban could have long-lasting consequences - good and bad - for the future of the nation's highest-profile Mormon politician: Mitt Romney.
The LDS effort could give Romney a crucial boost among evangelicals who wield great power in choosing the Republican presidential nominee. But it might leave the former Massachusetts governor an even tougher slog among a broader electorate.
"What the LDS Church just did in California and elsewhere, should help [Romney] because it sends a signal to evangelical Protestants that while we differ religiously, politically we are first cousins," says Charles Dunn, dean of the School of Government at Regent University, founded by evangelical leader Pat Robertson...
Further into the article though, Burr quotes University of Iowa communications professor Bruce Gronbeck, who pointed out that the LDS Church's involvement in Prop 8 Politics may...
...make some independents wary of voting for a Mormon candidate, he says, and stoke more fears of how much power the church has over its faithful members.
So if one is a conservative, evangelical Christian, are you more happy that a Mormon candidate's church is on your side of the issue on same-gender marriage, or are you more worried about how the LDS Prophet may tell an elected Mormon officeholder how to speak out and vote on other issues besides same-gender marriage?
That LDS Prophet brought the politics of the Mormon Church to the forefront this last election. Since many conservative Christian voters consider Mormonism to be a cult, I tend to believe that any Mormon presidential candidate will have a leg down due to worries about what the LDS Prophet may tell a Mormon candidate what to say and do -- the Prop 8 stand by the LDS First Presidency demonstrates it's possible.
And wow, conservatives are discussing 2012 really early, aren't they? President-elect Obama hasn't even taken office yet.
Homophobes like to scare people with the idea that the gays recruit innocent straight kids and that homosexuality is but one slippery slope away from pedophilia and bestiality. I endorse the opposite approach: the more anti-gay you are, the more I want to keep you away from the kids.
For years the Catholic Church has gotten the rap for the child sex abuse scandals they hath wrought. So when there is a hurricane to blame on gay folks, you know it's good Catholics like Pastor John Hagee who step up to the plate. (Whoa, major fail on my part. I can't keep track of which religion hates who anymore!) In this latest Prop 8 gay marriage battle in California, there was significant involvement (cue Dr. Evil, "One million dollars!") on the pro-8 side by the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic organization.
(NYTimes) ST. GEORGE, Utah - Polygamy is probably here to stay. But child abuse in the polygamist world must be eradicated at all costs.
That was the two-part message here on Thursday night from top state officials from Arizona and Utah, who spoke - sometimes in impassioned tones, sometimes in exasperation - to a packed audience of fundamentalist polygamists and curious local residents.
"We do not plan a raid to end polygamy," said the Utah attorney general, Mark L. Shurtleff. "I know you're worried about that. We're not going to do it."
One thing I know, having grown up Mormon, is how well they can keep a secret. Keeping in mind the Mormons donated half of all the money given to support Prop 8, that's a whole lot of anti-gay for me to want to keep away from the kids. Could there be a few underaged skeletons in the temple closets?
We know how widespread the Catholic problem is. But, the Mormons have done a better job of hiding abuse. Last year, the PBS show, Expose: America's Investigative Reports, did a show on Peter Zuckerman, a reporter in Idaho Falls, Idaho, who busted open a scandal involving sex abuse, the Boy Scouts and the Mormons. Apparently, the Mormons pretty much control the Boy Scouts in several Western states. The perp involved in the case molested a lot of young kids and a lot of adults in the Boy Scouts and the Mormon Church knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. In fact, they kept putting the perp in positions where he was in contact with kids. They went to great lengths to cover it up. After Zuckerman exposed the scandal, he was attacked personally. And, that included going after him because he was gay. Yeah, surprise. Supporters of the Boy Scouts and Mormons played dirty and launched homophobic attacks on the reporter. According to Zuckerman, there were times when he was actually fearful for his life.
One Idaho Falls business leader, Frank VanderSloot of Melaleuca, "The Wellness Company," (which owns Nicole Miller Skin Care), who is also a Mormon, bought full page ads attacking the series -- and the reporter who wrote it. One ad included an attack on Zuckerman's "homosexuality" claiming the gay reporter had a "personal ax to grind" because the Boy Scouts didn't allow gay reporters. Interestingly, Belinda Vandersloot, who appears to be the wife of Frank, donated $100,000 to the Yes on Prop 8 campaign. That family can't get enough of the gay-bashing.
Zuckerman's full series, which originally ran in 2005 in the Idaho Falls Post-Register, can be found here. This wasn't an isolated incident. Subsequent investigations uncovered several other pedophiles in the Boy Scouts. The series led to a change in Idaho's laws on child abuse -- ending the statute of limitations for reporting the incidents.
I was a Boy Scout in Idaho for about three weeks. The reporter has it down; in my town, Boy Scouts and Mormon Church were essentially the same thing. Oh sure, you could join if you weren't Mormon, but you'd then be meeting at the Mormon Stake Center*, surrounded by Mormon kids, taught by Mormon Scoutmasters (who were the youth pastors on Sunday at the temple), introduced to Mormon scripture and practices, and forced to eat Jell-O. My God, the Jell-O!**
The whole thing set off my then-12-year-old creep-o-meter. I have no knowledge of anybody fooling around with the kids, but I didn't stick around very long to find out.
Another kiss-in was held outside a San Diego Mormon temple on Wednesday. In contrast to the Salt Lake City affair, the 30 or so prokissers snogged in the sunshine free of counter-protest.
UPDATE: Join the Impact is organizing The Great Nationwide Kiss-In on August 15th in response to several 
H/T BethCA66. About 100 people pecked and smooched today in support of the Salt Lake City gay couple who 
The plaza has been the subject of a complex land and public easement trade between the LDS church and Salt Lake City. 
